So not exactly what you're asking but there's always been something a bit sus to me both in how the Firefly universe appropriated confederate civil war aesthetics and has a super large libertarian presence in its fanbase, and that suspicion has only been further intensified after the revelations on Joss Whedon.
But pinning down the ideology of the show itself...I don't know...it still seems mostly innocuous? There's definitely some gender stuff and weird fetishization happening sure...but no worse than most scifi from that time period or previous. Not like the unification war was about independents rights to own slaves or anything. Still...much as I like the show whenever I think about it now something about it bothers me.
The show does treat all the feamle characters really badly. That was his fetish though, strong female characters being abused and broken. I read about some unused script ideas. You know how far you have to go for a regular holloywood producer call an idea too misogynistic?
Reminds me of how every time the author of My Hero Academia adds a buff muscular woman he brutalizes those characters like 10x worse than the average male character.
Pretty sure the main buff lady of the cast right this moment currently has like 1 intact limb or something and shes fighting with stumps, really weird and discomforting to the point where the average shonen audience picked up on it being weird and excessive.
yeah mirko, its so weird. She gets cyborg limbs that just also get ripped off immediately and is now fighting with I think one leg? They also had stars and stripes, another big powerful women character who existed just to die brutally.
I mean star kind of had to be removed from the story with her jojo main villain stand type power. It's just so far beyond everyone else that it kind of breaks the world for it to exist. But mha is still so absolutely inexcusably shit at writing women. You've got your sexualized teenage girls, bland characters with nothing beyond d "love interest" for personality, and any powerful women who just loses badly.
I chalked the confederate aesthetic up to irl former confederates like Jesse James becoming well-known outlaws after the Civil War. It was definitely something I noticed, and I was like, "So the Union is bad in this scenario??????" but there wasn't really a a 1:1 connection between the irl and fantasy sides--like you said, the Firefly guys weren't pro space slavery or anything, so I gave it a pass at the time. Now it seems like an apologia for "the Civil War wasn't about slavery, it was about state's rights and the Firefly folks just want to do whatever they want and fly free without the bad old government breathing down their necks." So yeah, I agree that the large numbers of libertarians in the fan base was definitely a clue. I don't know where I'm going with this. I'm pretty much just saying "yes I agree" but longer, lol. Anyway, this place runs on :posting: and :im-doing-my-part:
It took heavy inspiration from the ACW IMO primarily because of the aesthetic and vibe of the genre. Westerns have always had the ACW and veterans of that role play a huge role. The historical context of the show is more important. It aired in the early 2000s, which was a groundswell of renewed Lost Causer mythology that permeated pop culture and political discourse (see: Gods and Generals, Newt Gingrich's Lee-whitewashing alternate history novels). That inevitably rubs off on Hollywood as a whole.
Ideologically, the show is a very generalized "I just want to be left alone and autonomous" libertarianism. This is very common for Hollywood, which very much wants a generalized ideology-less appeal that can mean anything to anyone who is viewing, and doesn't alienate anyone in particular. Andor is a great recent example of this phenomenon, and nobody can really argue that show is "problematic".
So not exactly what you're asking but there's always been something a bit sus to me both in how the Firefly universe appropriated confederate civil war aesthetics and has a super large libertarian presence in its fanbase, and that suspicion has only been further intensified after the revelations on Joss Whedon.
But pinning down the ideology of the show itself...I don't know...it still seems mostly innocuous? There's definitely some gender stuff and weird fetishization happening sure...but no worse than most scifi from that time period or previous. Not like the unification war was about independents rights to own slaves or anything. Still...much as I like the show whenever I think about it now something about it bothers me.
The show does treat all the feamle characters really badly. That was his fetish though, strong female characters being abused and broken. I read about some unused script ideas. You know how far you have to go for a regular holloywood producer call an idea too misogynistic?
Reminds me of how every time the author of My Hero Academia adds a buff muscular woman he brutalizes those characters like 10x worse than the average male character.
Pretty sure the main buff lady of the cast right this moment currently has like 1 intact limb or something and shes fighting with stumps, really weird and discomforting to the point where the average shonen audience picked up on it being weird and excessive.
Makes the dark souls guy's foot fetish laudable by comparison.
yeah mirko, its so weird. She gets cyborg limbs that just also get ripped off immediately and is now fighting with I think one leg? They also had stars and stripes, another big powerful women character who existed just to die brutally.
I mean star kind of had to be removed from the story with her jojo main villain stand type power. It's just so far beyond everyone else that it kind of breaks the world for it to exist. But mha is still so absolutely inexcusably shit at writing women. You've got your sexualized teenage girls, bland characters with nothing beyond d "love interest" for personality, and any powerful women who just loses badly.
I chalked the confederate aesthetic up to irl former confederates like Jesse James becoming well-known outlaws after the Civil War. It was definitely something I noticed, and I was like, "So the Union is bad in this scenario??????" but there wasn't really a a 1:1 connection between the irl and fantasy sides--like you said, the Firefly guys weren't pro space slavery or anything, so I gave it a pass at the time. Now it seems like an apologia for "the Civil War wasn't about slavery, it was about state's rights and the Firefly folks just want to do whatever they want and fly free without the bad old government breathing down their necks." So yeah, I agree that the large numbers of libertarians in the fan base was definitely a clue. I don't know where I'm going with this. I'm pretty much just saying "yes I agree" but longer, lol. Anyway, this place runs on :posting: and :im-doing-my-part:
It took heavy inspiration from the ACW IMO primarily because of the aesthetic and vibe of the genre. Westerns have always had the ACW and veterans of that role play a huge role. The historical context of the show is more important. It aired in the early 2000s, which was a groundswell of renewed Lost Causer mythology that permeated pop culture and political discourse (see: Gods and Generals, Newt Gingrich's Lee-whitewashing alternate history novels). That inevitably rubs off on Hollywood as a whole.
Ideologically, the show is a very generalized "I just want to be left alone and autonomous" libertarianism. This is very common for Hollywood, which very much wants a generalized ideology-less appeal that can mean anything to anyone who is viewing, and doesn't alienate anyone in particular. Andor is a great recent example of this phenomenon, and nobody can really argue that show is "problematic".
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