I'm actually having a hard time deciding between several solid contenders (and their totally-not-their-alts alts) but I'll go with one that I had very little actual interaction with: the "cranking the hog in front of coworkers whether they want to see that or not is liberating and if you're against it you're a reactionary scold" Whedonbrain we had that one time. :volcel-judge:

  • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    He started doing apologia for American soldiers and then doubled down into doing apologia for Nazi soldiers and how they were "forced" to commit atrocities.

    Since the old rebuttals of that are all archived now, I'll restate them for anyone who missed it then:

    It needs to be stated that Nazi soldiers quite objectively were not forced or coerced into taking the actions they did, and weren't even threatened with light disciplinary actions if they refused to participate in massacres. Even the Nazis recognized that killing and particularly killing in cold blood traumatizes people, and so they lionized the "sacrifice" soldiers made by "shouldering that burden" (there's more to be said about how the fascist death cult worships suffering and death, both inflicting it and receiving it, but I'll keep this short) and at least ostensibly rewarded soldiers with alcohol for carrying them out, fearing a morale crisis if they forced unwilling soldiers to participate. Nazi soldiers actively and willingly carried out atrocities both when prompted to by their commanders and on their own initiative, and there is no record of any disciplinary action taken against someone for refusing to do so.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      EDIT: I done goofed on reading comprehension there. :blob-no-thoughts:

      • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        Reread that. That's the refutation of his "Nazi soldiers were just poor little patriots who were forced to massacre civilians" shit, something that is in fact objectively false. Some were forced into battle, or forced to hold a defensive position, but when it came to atrocities there was no coercion or disciplinary actions: it's a matter of historical record that wehrmacht soldiers who committed atrocities were doing so willingly and without coercion, and the narrative that they were forced is part of the "clean wehrmacht" myth.