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CHOOSE YOUR HEALTHCARE: ANGLO EDITION
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I always get confused when people imply you don't have to wait in America vs UK/Canada (old defense of the American healthcare system is that you don't have to wait)
As someone who has had to see a lot of specialists... you wait a lot in America too. Good fucking luck getting a rheumatologist appointment in less than 6 months.
Some right-wing ideological people think that U.S. has a privatised free market healthcare system, you get great quality if you pay for it, if you can't then tough luck, but nobody is obliged to pay taxes for another guy's healthcare.
I could almost respect that argument. It's ideologically consistent. But nah, Americans pay massive tax for healthcare, they just don't receive care in return.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OECD_health_expenditure_per_capita_by_country.svg
I typically have to wait 6 months just to see my gynecologist in the US. I’d love to see all these doctors you don’t have to wait for.
Seriously, I set up a psych eval 2 months ago, took 3 months for a sleep study, and its 3-6 months for a cpap machine.
same experience for my wife getting a CPAP
isn't it cool having subpar sleep that could potentially kill you while you wait months?
I had to give back my CPAP machine and buy my own for 1000 dollars.
I have allergies and can't use it every night. If you are at all congested its a waterboarding device. It prevents you from pushing air out if your nose too fast, so the saliva chokes you. It's literally a torture device. So you just take it off and get bad sleep, but at least you can sleep.
But the insurance company won't allow you to use it 75% of nights. Even though I really need it. They'll take it away and don't care why you can't always use it.
I got out of the psych hospital 9 months ago and only today had a consultation about starting TMS. And now my insurance maximum will reset before the actual treatment starts.
US healthcare is more expensive, but also wait times are ridiculous as well. it took me a month after getting a referral to an oral surgeon to even see the oral surgeon, then another 8 weeks to actually have the surgery. and the day of the surgery, i had to be in the waiting room 2 hours past my scheduled surgery time, then i went into the room and had to wait another hour there before anything happened.
if you don't know what a referral is, it's when you go to a doctor to get an official recommendation to talk to a specialist. so you have to go to your main doctor and pay for that appointment to get to the specialist, who then does their own consultation that you pay for to determine you need the thing.
this was all deemed critically necessary surgery and was done through my insurance which would "totally 100% cover everything" according to the billing specialist i had to talk to, which means i paid about $500 out of pocket.
:amerikkka:
Same deal, had to have semi emergency oral surgery and I ended up having to drive to a place three hours away to get an appointment less then six weeks out.
If you need stitches they'll take care of it right away in the UK and Canada. I was seen by a plastic surgeon about an hour after my dog bite (the hour being used cleaning wounds/stopping bleeding and getting transfered to a hospital). You can critique austerity and the mishandling of euthanasia in Canada without just repeating right wing talking points lol.
Wait times are objectively better in the UK than the US.
Unless, ofc, you're trans. I mean, i'm not doubting that the US healthcare system is a total fuck where average people have to wait longer than under the NHS, and i would prefer single payer over what my country has any day as well, not to mention that any kind of public health care beats the nonstop human rights violation that is "healthcare" in the US.
i'm just saying that the UK healthcare system is purposefully set up to genocide trans people. i'm not being hyperbolic here, that's just how trans healthcare works there. you just let people wait long enough for treatment so they decide to kill themselves. i thought waiting lists here in Germany are bad. Then i learned that it's completely normal in the UK to wait four years or more until you can get an appointment for a first assessment at a gender clinic. Not any kind of treatment, just a preliminary talk with a specialist. It took me 9 months here in Germany to get on HRT due to the long waiting lists of the few non-gatekeepy psychologists willing to see trans people combined with the waiting lists of trans-inclusive endocrinologists, and that was already wearing me so thin i can't describe it as anything but torture. But what the UK does is an outright attempt to drive us to suicide.
here's the thing though, if you are bougie enough or have enough of an online fanbase to get a gofundme to afford to go private for trans healthcare, it's cheaper than the us with shorter wait times
iirc it's pretty cheap to just buy the meds online
the expensive part is getting a doctor to make sure you're doing it right :agony-shivering:
eh, i guess cheap is relative, but it's a pretty hefty price tag for me
and yeah, the doctor is the real rub
U.S. "healthcare" is a unique evil that is not adequately displayed in this meme.
Missing: another bill from a collections agency 18 months later because it turns out one of the doctors who came in to give you advil isn’t covered by your insurance
Yeah, the U.S. guy isn't bleeding, the meme clearly has a preference. Also, urgent care and emergency treatment doesn't really have a waiting list in Canada and the UK, the places are understaffed and covid has exposed that, but you'll get stitched up, or have emergency surgery if needed.
I feel like these memes are starting to portray the wrong problems with Canada's MAiD. It almost seems like it's blaming public healthcare. But like stitches and medical treatments are still like covered it's just that after you're left to your devices. If you have severe disorders that make living certain places impossible and such. Not about immediate medical attention
I think the spirit of the three systems is accurate.
American Care is purely profit driven, so they'll fix you and saddle you with enormous debts.
UK system is terminally underfunded, so they cut back services until the wait lists are obscene.
Kkkanada still has the services and they aren't purely profit motivated. But they invest a ton of money in bureaucracy aimed at cutting costs. The end result is a government program that exists to provide you with the cheapest alternatives rather than the most effective care. And this culminates in anyone with chronic or sever conditions being pushed into hospice.
UK system is terminally underfunded, so they cut back services until the wait lists are obscene.
even underfunded, the wait times are on-par or shorter than the us
That varies heavily by region and service. I've been in and out of urgent cares in Houston in under an hour.
And Duke hospitals, one of the most funded medical hospitals in the country, had an average of over 24 hour waits in the urgent care and ED for most of this year.
On average wait times are the same or longer in the US then the UK. Which is far more damning for a country this big with so many varying medical services.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/rankings-and-ratings/er-wait-times-by-state.html
Wait time averages ranging from 1.5-4 hrs are awful. But I'm not seeing anything to suggest a 24-hr wait is normal.
I've been in and out of ERs more often than I'd like to admit over the last ten years. I'm not sure where you're getting your data, but over 24 hours is nothing close to the domestic average.
I meant to say wait times on average for US hospitals and services are similar to that in the UK.
It is,
The meme is quite literally a far right fear topic that leftists have eagerly lapped up and helped spread.
There are cases of MAiD being horrific and they need to be pointed out but they aren’t the norm. The paraolympic story was someone completely overstepping their position in a way that frankly seems premeditated to create scandal.
All we are doing by pushing it is helping the Canadian fascists gain more traction
idk where the fuck people get that idea about the NHS? maybe its just that i'm from a rural area but i've usually been able to see a gp within 24 hours, emergencies are dealt with in an hour or two, and i've never had to wait more than 2 weeks for any sort of proceedure. people need to stop dicking on the only good thing in :ukkk:
yeah, i live in a shithole and i got non-emergency surgery within a month
