Sounds like an agreement behind closed doors. So Bernie is basically just taking their word for it. Biden has never gone back on a promise before!
Succs love to do this. Give up leverage now for a promise of something later. Don’t give up the leverage until you have secured the bag! Actually, don’t give it up then either, just heighten the contradictions and push for more if you have some power to back it up.
Problem is succs don’t have the power. They have no genuine organized movement or labor power behind them. So they can’t do anything other than posture with statements and parliamentary tricks.
No, it makes more sense to end the suffering. Having Biden veto it does not do that. Either get a veto proof proposal, or end it through negotiation. Force him to veto if neither pans out
biden has shown no real signs of ending it though. it would be better for organizers to force him to say that in a clear way, that forces it to get covered in the news.
I just don't see how it could possibly be better for Bernie to get this loose promise than passing an actual resolution to end US military support in a genocide.
Forcing a veto maybe has a 2% chance of snowballing into something that moves the needle, and there's no guarantee of that much. Maybe the logic is this will keep the issue alive, where a veto would basically close it for the foreseeable future. Maybe the idea is that this has a 2.5% chance of snowballing into something meaningful. I have a hard time faulting the guy for picking one lottery ticket instead of another.
He backed down because the Biden Admin was whipping against it and clearly has the party behind them. It is as usual Not The Right Time to take action on this.
So is this good, did he actually extract a concession? Or is this just more of him being totally impotent..
Sounds like an agreement behind closed doors. So Bernie is basically just taking their word for it. Biden has never gone back on a promise before!
Succs love to do this. Give up leverage now for a promise of something later. Don’t give up the leverage until you have secured the bag! Actually, don’t give it up then either, just heighten the contradictions and push for more if you have some power to back it up.
Problem is succs don’t have the power. They have no genuine organized movement or labor power behind them. So they can’t do anything other than posture with statements and parliamentary tricks.
"He did what the Houthis wanted him to do..."
it sounds like they convinced him to back off when he had a slam dunk so...
Was it a slam dunk? It passed last time, but wasn't veto proof.
well wouldn't it make more sense to force biden to at least veto it then?
No, it makes more sense to end the suffering. Having Biden veto it does not do that. Either get a veto proof proposal, or end it through negotiation. Force him to veto if neither pans out
biden has shown no real signs of ending it though. it would be better for organizers to force him to say that in a clear way, that forces it to get covered in the news.
Would it force news coverage? If this actually came to a vote, would we suddenly see a few Dems back off?
There isn't much leverage to work here.
I just don't see how it could possibly be better for Bernie to get this loose promise than passing an actual resolution to end US military support in a genocide.
Forcing a veto maybe has a 2% chance of snowballing into something that moves the needle, and there's no guarantee of that much. Maybe the logic is this will keep the issue alive, where a veto would basically close it for the foreseeable future. Maybe the idea is that this has a 2.5% chance of snowballing into something meaningful. I have a hard time faulting the guy for picking one lottery ticket instead of another.
He backed down because the Biden Admin was whipping against it and clearly has the party behind them. It is as usual Not The Right Time to take action on this.
:maybe-later-kiddo:
Nah, he’s our bitch
We don't know