I really love how all redditors think the conflict between Taiwan and China is that China won't recognize Taiwan as an independent country. Like, they think it's just a plucky little region that wants independence from a bigger country, like it's Ireland or Catalonia or something. They think "Taiwan's" only goal is to live in the island of Taiwan forever
They don't want independence from China for fucks sake, they want to BE China. The ROC doesn't recognize Taiwan as an independent country either. Nobody does! It doesn't exist as a nation because of a nationalist struggle, it's just where the capitalist pigs fled to
The RoC, even under the DPP, continues to claim that it is the legitimate government over all of China. This includes incredibly petty shit like not recognizing the independence of Mongolia until 2002 (admittedly, thus was before the current DPP admin). To this day, on a formal legal basis, the RoC has not renounced its previous claims to all of the PRC, Mongolia, and bits of Russia.
Maybe the DPP would be willing to renounce those claims upon declaring independence, but the fact of the matter is that they haven't done so yet.
It's not about what Taiwan wants, it's about what's geopoligically expedient for America. Even since HW Bush, the higher ups of American intelligence have mocked the idea of "unleashing chiang" and attempting to retake the mainland.
The new framing of Taiwan is that it's a plucky "vibrant" democracy since the island was turned into a liberal democracy during the Clinton administration when the DPP, a party of local landed industrialists sympathetic to Japanese colonizers, became the second of two awful parties people can vote for. The recent strategy for the US has basically been to goad China into a costly and unwise military invasion by promoting Taiwanese independence movements.
I should note that Democracy in Taiwan was only introduced after all native resistance to the colonizers was wiped out and all leftists were executed, all with the encouragement of the USA. The current USA backed independence movement claims the struggle against the white terror as its own despite getting their orders from the same institutions that cosigned KMT dictatorship in the first place.
I think they want their cake and eat it too. To be independent but still claim to be the rightful government of all of China in case the opportunity arises in the future to "reclaim the mainland".
I think declaring independence stirs the pot too much so they would prefer to just continue to maintain the status quo. China would have to respond to an independence declaration when it happens, but they don't have to change the status quo in any given year
This is the same stance they have towards the South China Sea, and unlike their claims to Mongolia, which is something nobody including themselves takes seriously, they have build military bases on two islands and it's something they take very seriously.
I really love how all redditors think the conflict between Taiwan and China is that China won't recognize Taiwan as an independent country. Like, they think it's just a plucky little region that wants independence from a bigger country, like it's Ireland or Catalonia or something. They think "Taiwan's" only goal is to live in the island of Taiwan forever
They don't want independence from China for fucks sake, they want to BE China. The ROC doesn't recognize Taiwan as an independent country either. Nobody does! It doesn't exist as a nation because of a nationalist struggle, it's just where the capitalist pigs fled to
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The RoC, even under the DPP, continues to claim that it is the legitimate government over all of China. This includes incredibly petty shit like not recognizing the independence of Mongolia until 2002 (admittedly, thus was before the current DPP admin). To this day, on a formal legal basis, the RoC has not renounced its previous claims to all of the PRC, Mongolia, and bits of Russia.
Maybe the DPP would be willing to renounce those claims upon declaring independence, but the fact of the matter is that they haven't done so yet.
It's not about what Taiwan wants, it's about what's geopoligically expedient for America. Even since HW Bush, the higher ups of American intelligence have mocked the idea of "unleashing chiang" and attempting to retake the mainland.
The new framing of Taiwan is that it's a plucky "vibrant" democracy since the island was turned into a liberal democracy during the Clinton administration when the DPP, a party of local landed industrialists sympathetic to Japanese colonizers, became the second of two awful parties people can vote for. The recent strategy for the US has basically been to goad China into a costly and unwise military invasion by promoting Taiwanese independence movements.
I should note that Democracy in Taiwan was only introduced after all native resistance to the colonizers was wiped out and all leftists were executed, all with the encouragement of the USA. The current USA backed independence movement claims the struggle against the white terror as its own despite getting their orders from the same institutions that cosigned KMT dictatorship in the first place.
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I think they want their cake and eat it too. To be independent but still claim to be the rightful government of all of China in case the opportunity arises in the future to "reclaim the mainland".
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I think declaring independence stirs the pot too much so they would prefer to just continue to maintain the status quo. China would have to respond to an independence declaration when it happens, but they don't have to change the status quo in any given year
This is the same stance they have towards the South China Sea, and unlike their claims to Mongolia, which is something nobody including themselves takes seriously, they have build military bases on two islands and it's something they take very seriously.
Would there ever be a scenario for a Taiwan that did just want nationalist independence?