• axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    What is with nerds reading Art of War all of a sudden

    It's a book about how to load stuff onto a horse, it's only philosophical or motivational if you strip it of literal meaning

    "Fight your enemy with your back to the sun". Ah yes this is clearly about achieving business success by remembering where I came from. No you cretin it's about not being blinded by sunlight when you shoot a guy with a longbow

    • Gucci_Minh [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Book from an era when people needed to be told tactical advice like "outnumber your enemy it makes it easier to win" is now being taken as some kind of guide to socialization by PMC dude bros who think every relationship is transactional and every person is someone you need to compete with.

      • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Book from an era when people needed to be told tactical advice like “outnumber your enemy it makes it easier to win”

        You'd think that but the myth of having superiority based around an elite group of soldiers persisted throughout history and even today, to the point that Americans realy believe 1 US Marine = 100 Afghan/Iraqi soldiers. Heck you could go further and point out the entire rhetoric by the Nazis/US against the USSR in WW2 is explicitly denying this fact by dismissing it as "human wave" tactics. Even more pathetic when they start saying the same about Russia and China's army today.

        • Mardoniush [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          Even the US don't really believe it, they just shift focus to having the most logistics and ordinance (and the looting of the Military Industrial complex is eroding even that)

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      1 year ago

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      • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        Going to keep only the Art of War, How to Make Friends and Influence People, and Infinite Jest on my bookshelf. The success-win depressed graduate student mindset.

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Yeah all my coworkers recommend it and say it's useful for business stuff

        Did Joe Rogan tell people to read it? It's literally a book of 5th century BC military tactics. The only universal advice it gives is that you should probably make plans before doing something.

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          • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            It’s just another book in a long list of books that should not be read as self help

            unless you are a warlord in which case art of war is self help

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        • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I think it's always been the dumb guy's idea of what smart successful people read.

    • Ligma_Male [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      all of a sudden

      art of war has been a sociopathic business guy book for at least 40 years

    • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      It's also an incoherent collection of incomplete fragments since the bindings in medium it was originally written on had all decayed leaving a bunch of broken bits that don't clearly fit together.

      The only broadly applicable bits are the handful of lines that everyone knows anyways, the ones about not fighting unless absolutely necessary and that you should be aware of what you and your opponent are capable of. Well that and the insistence on logistics, like half of it is just variations on "and remember to pack a lunch."

      • BeamBrain [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        like half of it is just variations on “and remember to pack a lunch.”

        I am now imagining Sun Tzu as someone's nagging mother

    • Vampire [any]
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      2 years ago

      Disagree, some is still relevant:

      • flee strengths, strike weaknesses

      • the winner will be whoever makes the most calculations before the battle

      • it's better for your enemy to come to you than you to go to him