Genuinely curious. I keep thinking “it can’t get much worse without some kind of mass uprising” but the ability of the general population of Western states to just soak up suffering seems endless. Do you think we will actually see mass movements in the next decade or two? Or just slowly lurch into a void of ever-shittier liberalism?
By the West I mean like. Western Europe and the Anglosphere I guess.
100% of chuds, 98% of liberals the entire media apparatuses and every single member of government would unite to stop anything even remotely resembling that
The only way anything gets better in this country is if we hit rock bottom of total societal collapse and build something from the ashes.
Like that’s not clearly going to happen. Also, most people just follow what’s popular. If we can organize well momentum will build on itself as normies realize we can work for their interests.
The protests are a pretty good counterpoint.
Protests have been on the right side of history and built momentum from civil rights to suffrage to anti war protests to climate protests to today.
And even on the supposedly left of american center reddit every single one of them is using the exact same talking points that was used against every single other one of those protests.
Columbia is a liberal college in one of the most liberal states with a liberal governor in a liberal city. It looked like the cops were ready to invade a small nation.
And the overwhelming opinion is against the protestors pretty much everywhere other than here and tik tok.
I know that, but people keep waking up about Palestine and other things. Conditions are becoming more revolutionary and the committed reactionaries are largely cowards.
This is the fifth type of liberalism
What type of liberalism is expecting a revolution to sprout from the soil when it's been salted for the last 200 years.
That's not how revolutions work. Learn more history.
I have. Relying on chuds or liberals to fight the revolution for you is exactly how a revolution gets coopted and all the socialist get rewarded for their hard work with a shallow grave. Its what liberals did when they were certain that comey was going to take down Trump for them.
And then meuller.
And then garland.
There are very few ways to make me detest you more than to tell me to learn history when I'm very familiar with history and also very familiar with the fact that 90% of Americans violently oppose any real progress.
I mean seriously you're trying to lecture me on not knowing how histpry works when your argument is that historical and material conditions don't make a difference when it comes to starting revolutions.
It's more about ego. That you somehow know the exact formula needed for revolution when historically revolution has happened at the most unexpected times.
The comic of different passengers on the train thinking about collapse
I'm absolutely not hoping for it or looking forward to it but that's what it would take.
And as long as liberals and chuds have somebody to punch down at that's what they'll do.
So until it all comes crashing down and everybody's at zero you aren't going to convince more than 5% of Americans to willingly sacrifice to benefit others.