It's kind of unreformable. I don't think you could have anything resembling American football without widespread traumatic brain injury and constant ruined limbs. You'd have to wind it all the way back until it looks like rugby.
As a rugby "fan", I think they need to remove the helmets or change them. It allows the players to take way too much risk and probably makes concussions worse by allowing them to go into tackles and situations they should not be able to get into.
But I've watched very little American football, so don't take this too seriously.
I've heard former american football players say the same thing. With the amount of padding the players wear, they feel more confident and go for hits they wouldnt if they were less armored
I get the padding, because without it the sport would probably become rugby 2.0. But the helmets and high tackles involving heads, that needs to go from my little knowledge of the sport.
I think you are correct but the NFL and college football at this point are huge profit machines. Making drastic changes presents too big of a risk to the bottom line, so of course nothing will happen. Even if this player dies the NFL will get sued and probably settle with the family, making some token changes, and they won't lose a fan.
Difference being that it's rare in rugby, in my limited experience, to have two players running at full tilt in opposite directions, and it's even rarer that one of those players is defenseless (i.e., in mid-air, focused on a ball not yet in their possession). It seems that rugby players are, more often than not, all traveling in the same direction, so the relative velocity between them at any point of contact is much lower.
Yeah the NFL knows that people running full power into one another is a major driver of injuries, it's why most non-professional leagues now don't do kickoffs and even the pros almost always signal a fair catch (meaning you can tackle them) since those are the plays most likely to hurt someone.
But frankly the big hits are what fans want. It's like crashing in NASCAR - although NFL hits are far more likely to injure you than a modern NASCAR crash lmao.
that one of those players is defenseless (i.e., in mid-air, focused on a ball not yet in their possession
If you make a challenge on someone in this position in rugby it's a red card and a couple game ban afterwards. I remember one of the Springboks pulling a challenge like this and he got a red card even though he was unconscious and being removed from the field.
The crazy thing is that the helmets are probably more advanced than modern military helmets at this point.
I have done a little research on some helmets from the recent round of testing in an academic-adjacent setting, and some of the best scoring ones are using bleeding-edge design, additive manufacturing techniques, and materials -- while being customized for each individual player (and they are over $1000 each).
I'm honestly not sure how much more can be done in the helmet/mechanical realm to protect players. The technology to get accelerometers into the helmets to to generate meaningful and useful data is still problematic, too. They are pouring in millions to this problem as concern continues to grow, and for good reason.
I think you are right that the sport itself would have to change.
I think that the more advanced the helmets will get, the worse the problem becomes. Player will have even more false confidence or security, and attempt more foolish plays.
In this case in particular, it was helmet contact to the chest that seemingly caused the injury. There's really no way they're going to be safe short of 22 Michelin men on the field.
I think the reason we have the helmets we have now is because, historically, people were attempting that tackle helmetless and there were tons of injuries. Football players aren't known for caring too much about head injuries and that's only just starting to change.
I mean, at some point you have to allow consenting adults to hit each other for fun and money. Contact sports are good and fun for the most part, and a broken leg or minor concussion here and there are worth it if you know that going in. The problem with football is the intensity and repetition of violence exceeds everything we don't literally call a combat sport.
Communist society would not allow duels with pistols, why should it allow American football? The state should be concerned about the safety of its citizens, it should not let those that desire to get hurt to do so because it’s their prerogative.
We must take a proactive approach on this issue so that the idea of hurting oneself in such a game does not even exist in the minds of anyone stupid enough to want to play this.
It is pretty bad (I know someone that got paralysed playing high school rugby), but if you pull the kind of play that led to this situation in rugby (high tackle plus headbutt to the chest), you'd get a red card and a lengthy ban. Hell even contesting for aerial balls improperly is a lengthy ban.
Pretty much. They've tried to regulate the way players tackle (in particular leading with the helmet, helmet to helmet hits), but you still see so many head injuries.
Most sports are not fine. First off sports should not be allowed to segregate by gender, second the organizations around sports (fifa, nfl, olympics, ect) they are all corrupt, third is sports should not be violent or harmful to the body. Fourth and finally the idea of competition is antithetical to the goal of communism which is cooperation.
Soccer is dangerous but in a different way. Hitting the ball with your head has been looked at recently as causing concussion-like injuries, and it's a given at any level of the sport.
Contact sports should be banned tbh.
At the intensity of American football you really gotta question allowing a sport like this to go on. Most contact sports are fine.
They need to seriously consider how the sport is played and change some things because even outside of this there are way too many injuries in the NFL
It's kind of unreformable. I don't think you could have anything resembling American football without widespread traumatic brain injury and constant ruined limbs. You'd have to wind it all the way back until it looks like rugby.
As a rugby "fan", I think they need to remove the helmets or change them. It allows the players to take way too much risk and probably makes concussions worse by allowing them to go into tackles and situations they should not be able to get into.
But I've watched very little American football, so don't take this too seriously.
I've heard former american football players say the same thing. With the amount of padding the players wear, they feel more confident and go for hits they wouldnt if they were less armored
Makes sense.
I get the padding, because without it the sport would probably become rugby 2.0. But the helmets and high tackles involving heads, that needs to go from my little knowledge of the sport.
Yeah i think the quote was "if you want to reduce injuries you've got to go back to leather helmets" or something like that
same thing with boxing injuries and ditching the gloves
Those look like old school scrum caps, from what I can see.
I think you are correct but the NFL and college football at this point are huge profit machines. Making drastic changes presents too big of a risk to the bottom line, so of course nothing will happen. Even if this player dies the NFL will get sued and probably settle with the family, making some token changes, and they won't lose a fan.
In fact I think viewers will increase if this guy dies. Americans love bloodsport
Difference being that it's rare in rugby, in my limited experience, to have two players running at full tilt in opposite directions, and it's even rarer that one of those players is defenseless (i.e., in mid-air, focused on a ball not yet in their possession). It seems that rugby players are, more often than not, all traveling in the same direction, so the relative velocity between them at any point of contact is much lower.
Yeah the NFL knows that people running full power into one another is a major driver of injuries, it's why most non-professional leagues now don't do kickoffs and even the pros almost always signal a fair catch (meaning you can tackle them) since those are the plays most likely to hurt someone.
But frankly the big hits are what fans want. It's like crashing in NASCAR - although NFL hits are far more likely to injure you than a modern NASCAR crash lmao.
If you make a challenge on someone in this position in rugby it's a red card and a couple game ban afterwards. I remember one of the Springboks pulling a challenge like this and he got a red card even though he was unconscious and being removed from the field.
The crazy thing is that the helmets are probably more advanced than modern military helmets at this point.
I have done a little research on some helmets from the recent round of testing in an academic-adjacent setting, and some of the best scoring ones are using bleeding-edge design, additive manufacturing techniques, and materials -- while being customized for each individual player (and they are over $1000 each).
I'm honestly not sure how much more can be done in the helmet/mechanical realm to protect players. The technology to get accelerometers into the helmets to to generate meaningful and useful data is still problematic, too. They are pouring in millions to this problem as concern continues to grow, and for good reason.
I think you are right that the sport itself would have to change.
I think that the more advanced the helmets will get, the worse the problem becomes. Player will have even more false confidence or security, and attempt more foolish plays.
In this case in particular, it was helmet contact to the chest that seemingly caused the injury. There's really no way they're going to be safe short of 22 Michelin men on the field.
Yeah, but without helmets I don't think that tackle would ever be attempted. But I don't watch American football so I could be wrong
I think the reason we have the helmets we have now is because, historically, people were attempting that tackle helmetless and there were tons of injuries. Football players aren't known for caring too much about head injuries and that's only just starting to change.
If thats how it has to happen then that's how it should happen
I do not disagree.
Rugby is also bad
I mean, at some point you have to allow consenting adults to hit each other for fun and money. Contact sports are good and fun for the most part, and a broken leg or minor concussion here and there are worth it if you know that going in. The problem with football is the intensity and repetition of violence exceeds everything we don't literally call a combat sport.
Communist society would not allow duels with pistols, why should it allow American football? The state should be concerned about the safety of its citizens, it should not let those that desire to get hurt to do so because it’s their prerogative.
We must take a proactive approach on this issue so that the idea of hurting oneself in such a game does not even exist in the minds of anyone stupid enough to want to play this.
It is pretty bad (I know someone that got paralysed playing high school rugby), but if you pull the kind of play that led to this situation in rugby (high tackle plus headbutt to the chest), you'd get a red card and a lengthy ban. Hell even contesting for aerial balls improperly is a lengthy ban.
Pretty much. They've tried to regulate the way players tackle (in particular leading with the helmet, helmet to helmet hits), but you still see so many head injuries.
Most sports are not fine. First off sports should not be allowed to segregate by gender, second the organizations around sports (fifa, nfl, olympics, ect) they are all corrupt, third is sports should not be violent or harmful to the body. Fourth and finally the idea of competition is antithetical to the goal of communism which is cooperation.
every communist society has encouraged sports including competitive ones. friendly competition is not antithetical to communism
agree about the organizations being corrupt and the gender aspect, but team sports require cooperation to win, no?
Football has a higher injury rate than karate (ref), at which point you have to ask why the fuck people are still doing this.
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Soccer is dangerous but in a different way. Hitting the ball with your head has been looked at recently as causing concussion-like injuries, and it's a given at any level of the sport.
unhinged take
Death to America
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