Also, literally who cares. This isn't politics. Zoomers and millenials are very left-wing and that hasn't changer significantly in recent years. This isn't happening at scales that are shifting the political landscape. Idk why there is an obsession with this shit.

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I take issue with the notion that lefties don't give dating advice. I've heard "get out and talk to people, be yourself etc" my entire life from liberals and leftists, and frankly there isn't much more advice you can give about dating beyond that and "take a shower, wear clothes that fit etc".

    The reason it seems like all dating advice is right wing is because mysogynists gamify dating advice to an extreme degree. PUA shit, Alpha shit etc is all built off of an explicitly right wing understanding of relationships and of gender, and it also happens to be content that you can endlessly and effortlessly churn out.

    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Good advice is a lot more specific than something like "go talk to people," though. Where? How should I start a conversation? If I want to ask someone on a date, how do I do that, and when is a good time? That's stuff you'll get into on basically no left-wing site.

      You avoid creep territory with stuff like "ask once," "be cool if she says no," and generally avoiding cringe pseudoscience concepts like "alpha" shit.

      • teddiursa [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        Yeah but an online influencer can’t give that good, specific advice. Because I’ve known people who do everything right on paper, but they have personal personality flaws that drive people away. An online stranger wouldn’t be able to see that.

        • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Like getting better at anything, you'd have a process of talking through what exactly you said/did and figuring out how to improve. Doing this in person is better than doing this online, but you can get a lot out of online conversations if you don't bullshit yourself or others.

          Ideas like this work well with ideas like self-criticism.

      • walletbaby [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        The problem is that the people giving the advice are well adjusted already. Thus they don't have to give specific advice, they can just say obvious things like "talk to people" which is impossibly vague and useless.

    • walletbaby [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      I hate the "be yourself" line. It's total bullshit. What if yourself is precisely the reason you're not sexually attractive? You need to change, not be yourself.

      This is where the right and Jordan Peterson absolutely crush it. They have concrete advice which will result in measurable improvements. What does the left offer? Keep doing the one thing you KNOW doesn't work?

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        It's worth noting that rejecting "be yourself" is not the same as telling someone to become a fake PUA asshole. If you want to be a doctor but are bad at chemistry and time management, you can change yourself into someone who is just as authentic and decent as you were before, but better at those particular skills.

        • walletbaby [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Well if you're not yourself then you are a fake. But if yourself is what's keeping people away, what choice do you have? Be a fake who gets what he wants or be the real you and forever alone?

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        My issue with the "be yourself" line is that it is too general to be of any use. I'm not denying that being true to your values and not trying to be some fake cardboard cutout of a Real Man™ is solid advice but in order for it to be useful or has to help you do it. An insecure 16 year old who thinks girls are very interesting but also kind of scary can't use "be yourself" for anything.

        If there's something the right wing grifters do right it is that they make these young men feel good about themselves. They do it in stupid and disgusting ways but you really can help people by making them feel confident. Leftist dating advice should tell people that they actually have what it takes and that they are deserving of love, no matter how short or tall, fat or skinny or introvert or extrovert they are and that rejection doesn't change that. Leftist dating advice should also hold up mutual respect as not only moral but also cool and sexy.

        • walletbaby [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          they actually have what it takes and that they are deserving of love

          Men don't "deserve" anything from women. This is incel talk right here.

          • commenter [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            you can't read a common phrase like "feeling deserving of love" and jump to that reaction and expect to be taken seriously

    • StewartCopelandsDad [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Misogynists have genuinely good advice about making a dating app profile. Here is an example. There's some shit in there (negging, "you need to wear a watch in every photo" lol), but the bulk of the advice is good. Know how the algorithm works, check out the competition, look as hot as you can, put hours into taking and selecting nice photos, don't open with "hey". [Obvs I don't endorse this post, the ideology is apparent in the explanations for why you should do certain things, also the Tinder algorithm has changed since 2018.]

      Anyway I've never seen a lefty source so detailed about dating apps. Some thoughts:

      • this is Reddit dressed-by-the-internet type advice. If you follow this guide you will have a good-looking very generic dating app profile. Misogynists think all women want to sleep with a single "alpha" ideal and their advice tries to get you closer to that. Non misogynists will tell you to make a good profile that shows off you who individually are as a person. The TRP post doesn't suggest including hobby/activity photos at all, just ones that make you look hot and friendly. Probably a one-size-fits-all guide will be more popular than something useful for only some people.

      • if you have trouble relating with women, making a profile that gets swiped right on is probably the most you can do. So they are gonna get really good at that.