Raver Reeducation until they're not hippies but somehow more cringe.
honestly these people are fine. they just want to dance and do drugs and listen to the most boring genre of electronic music in history. PLUR is the basis of communism.
ravers aren't harming anyone, and they're much nicer than most people. this post just makes it seem like you hate that other people are having fun tbh
Death to America
DIY punk fest: a house gig/vegan backyard BBQ in the afternoon, bar gig at night, party at some local house after. Whole thing costs like $30 and there's actual free time between shows. There is also absolutely no corporate involvement and is done through people putting up their own money they worked for to fly in touring bands, they lose money and are basically managed by doing fundraiser shows throughout the year with local bands.
But naw, the stranger that gives you Nbomes while you listen to a dj in a field you dehydrate yourself in once a year sponsored by Redbull is Family.
What you describe sounds like half of the goa parties i've ever been to and there's tons of techno and house events that are also not these hyper-commercialized hellscapes. After decades in various sub- and countercultures i honestly don't see much difference between the DIY punk scene and DIY electronic music scenes, while i also do not see much difference between some corporate rave and Vans Warped Tour. It's perfectly normal to have both of the former in the same squat project, and it's perfectly normal for Red Bull to sponsor both of the latter.
Not sure. Hot tip tho, nbomes and whatnot have a metallic taste to thr tab that acid does not.
I don't know if I've ever been to a rave that was sponsored by anything. The last one that I regularly went to was next to a river up in the mountains with people hanging out on giant floaties.
This is such a generalized simplistic view its hilarious. Ive been to punk shows where people have been near beaten to death and small festivals that have been quite cozy and friendly.
Not to mention large sections of the edm scene literally revolve around illegally occupying space and partying all night, it rules.
This shit just sounds jaded and dumb
Also some peolle dont fuck with punk music lmao
It's the treating it like this transcendent experience and being haughty about it. When I go on a bender I don't pretend it was enlightening and encourage others to do the same.
I would like to point out that there’s a VAST CHASM of cultural difference between mainstream EDM ravers and those who go to underground electronic raves/shows. It’s almost like night and day lol
You could always spot the club kids, Jersey Shore reject motherfuckers.
They will try to persuade you because they are convinced that anyone who goes will then get it and become a creepy raver. The only way to possibly convince them is to go and have a fucking miserable time, but even then it's cause you didn't 'accept it into you" (do drugs) or cause you had a bad time on the drugs and the weird environment couldn't have any impact
I brought a couple friends to a rave in high school and they just stood against the wall the entire time.
They will try to persuade you because they are convinced that anyone who goes will then get it and become a creepy raver. The only way to possibly convince them is to go and have a fucking miserable time, but even then it’s cause you didn’t 'accept it into you" (do drugs) or cause you had a bad time on the drugs and the weird environment couldn’t have any impact
This is a very similar vibe to Joe Rogan fanboys trying to pressure people into tuning in, nodding along, stopping being (misogynistic slur here) and just do DMT, broooo.
I know nothing about the political leanings of ravers, but as someone who's used to going to metal shows I can safely say that ravers are some of the worst crowds to be in at a show. Every EDM show I've been to has consisted of me and whoever was with me getting literally pushed out of the crowd because 80,000 people blatantly shove their way in front of you because "oh my friends are up there, I swear" as they stop five feet in front of you clearly not knowing anyone standing around them. I've also had to deal with far too many molly'd-out women being creepily pressured by their guy friends to go grind on random strangers at raves.
Everyone needs to be handed a beer, given an Iron Maiden t-shirt, and tossed into a circle pit at some point to learn basic crowd etiquette.
sorry you had this experience. i've had the opposite experience at some big shows that i actually expected to have terrible crowds. a lot of american edm sucks and there is definitely a bad crowd at some shows but generally speaking to lump all electronic music in like this is really disheartening. i came to the rave scene kind of backwards, i first started as a musician, not a raver. so to hear people lump the genre of music in with the random ass people who potentially show up anywhere in the world is kind of sad.
also, i used to be huge metal head and i have lasting injuries on my body from the mosh pit. not saying it wasn't awesome and fun, it was, but different stroke for different folks baby. i happen to enjoy getting bashed up AND laying on the dance floor while people ask me if they can get me anything lmao. totally different experiences but i have to say at most shows i've been to, across all genres, MOST people are good and looking for connection or some form of happiness.
I love EDM, and most people in most crowds are generally fine, but there's a comradery I've come to expect that just doesn't seem to exist at EDM shows in my experience. I've had multiple people make an effort at metal shows to ensure my fairly short partner had a clear view of the stage no matter where we were with zero prompting, and the only crowd I've ever been legitimately forced to leave was a Carpenter Brut show because everybody there needed to be as close to the stage as possible and didn't care in the slightest that they showed up half an hour after the set started. It's just a very different vibe, and the EDM crowd is a lot more atomized and individualist.
the edm crowd seems younger to me but maybe that's anecdotal and i wonder if that might account for the increased feeling of atomization. but i'm disappointed to hear that about brut, he's one of my favs and i've never had a chance to see him but i had a great time at a perturbator show which is a very similar musical vibe. i've also been to festivals with anywhere from 40,000 to 400,000 people and seen the trashiest club music to really sophisticated snobby electronic shit and i've had wonderful encounters there at most events. but i will also say i've run into some ignorant people there too, but i mean that's just life, it happens at the grocery store too. but my lasting impression was people asking me if i needed anything, if they intruding on my space etc. the worst edm show i ever went to was a house show in a parking lot and yeah that crowd was trash but that one was of many shows. i've had mixed experiences at metal shows too. i WILL say though that of course the values espoused by certain artists probably attract certain people. there are really hyper masculine metal bands with toxic bases and there are really hedonist/individualist edm artists with toxic fan bases too.
idk, the op just feels like 'i don't like raves' which is fine but every show has it's cool people and assholes and in my experience when you show up with a good attitude i feel that most people try to meet you there. if someone goes to a rave and stand in a corner i'm not surprised they had a shitty time. :shrug-outta-hecks: just seems pointlessly divisive to me. i'd rather call out the class divide instead of some weird cultural genre divide. but it is anecdotally true that certain classes are attracted to different kinds of music i guess. idk, whatever. who cares really lmao.
Metal fans will run into each other at full speed, or the nearest wall if no one is nearby. But they will immediately stop and help you look if you shout that you lost your phone.
Okay, it's not quite that cool IRL but it's a beautiful thought.
During my "nightclub lighting technician" days, raves were the only type of event where I hated the music, customers, and general ambience, but somehow still enjoyed the work.
to be real, the fact that raves exhibit some of the worst hypercapitalist price gouging, pollution, and disregard for the environments around them is often a direct result of the commercialization of these events and the scale. there's no ethical consumption under capitalism, and certainly some things are decadent and destructive on different scales and this is can be true of raves sometimes too, but the underlying intention of a rave to me is really pure. it's literally just people coming together to try to connect and love each other. i can't say anything about 'most' people or any bullshit like that but in my experience people there are seeking connection. there are some taking advantage of the situation but that's just kinda life and we avoid those people and tell them to clean up their trash and stop pushing people on the dance floor. just like any other social situation.
if dancing to music late in the night isn't part of the revolution then line me up against the wall because it sounds boring af. but idk, we literally just had a struggle session about going out soooo…
A lot of em are close, they just need help killing a few :brainworms:
i didn't know that raves were a kind of subculture until this year, i always just figured a rave was anywhere with loud music. then i kept getting posts on my explore page on instagram by this really annoying person who kept posting in really condescending ways about "rave babies" and all the comments were equally annoying, so now I assume all rave people suck
