Raver Reeducation until they're not hippies but somehow more cringe.

  • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I know nothing about the political leanings of ravers, but as someone who's used to going to metal shows I can safely say that ravers are some of the worst crowds to be in at a show. Every EDM show I've been to has consisted of me and whoever was with me getting literally pushed out of the crowd because 80,000 people blatantly shove their way in front of you because "oh my friends are up there, I swear" as they stop five feet in front of you clearly not knowing anyone standing around them. I've also had to deal with far too many molly'd-out women being creepily pressured by their guy friends to go grind on random strangers at raves.

    Everyone needs to be handed a beer, given an Iron Maiden t-shirt, and tossed into a circle pit at some point to learn basic crowd etiquette.

    • GuerrillaMindset [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      sorry you had this experience. i've had the opposite experience at some big shows that i actually expected to have terrible crowds. a lot of american edm sucks and there is definitely a bad crowd at some shows but generally speaking to lump all electronic music in like this is really disheartening. i came to the rave scene kind of backwards, i first started as a musician, not a raver. so to hear people lump the genre of music in with the random ass people who potentially show up anywhere in the world is kind of sad.

      also, i used to be huge metal head and i have lasting injuries on my body from the mosh pit. not saying it wasn't awesome and fun, it was, but different stroke for different folks baby. i happen to enjoy getting bashed up AND laying on the dance floor while people ask me if they can get me anything lmao. totally different experiences but i have to say at most shows i've been to, across all genres, MOST people are good and looking for connection or some form of happiness.

      • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I love EDM, and most people in most crowds are generally fine, but there's a comradery I've come to expect that just doesn't seem to exist at EDM shows in my experience. I've had multiple people make an effort at metal shows to ensure my fairly short partner had a clear view of the stage no matter where we were with zero prompting, and the only crowd I've ever been legitimately forced to leave was a Carpenter Brut show because everybody there needed to be as close to the stage as possible and didn't care in the slightest that they showed up half an hour after the set started. It's just a very different vibe, and the EDM crowd is a lot more atomized and individualist.

        • GuerrillaMindset [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          the edm crowd seems younger to me but maybe that's anecdotal and i wonder if that might account for the increased feeling of atomization. but i'm disappointed to hear that about brut, he's one of my favs and i've never had a chance to see him but i had a great time at a perturbator show which is a very similar musical vibe. i've also been to festivals with anywhere from 40,000 to 400,000 people and seen the trashiest club music to really sophisticated snobby electronic shit and i've had wonderful encounters there at most events. but i will also say i've run into some ignorant people there too, but i mean that's just life, it happens at the grocery store too. but my lasting impression was people asking me if i needed anything, if they intruding on my space etc. the worst edm show i ever went to was a house show in a parking lot and yeah that crowd was trash but that one was of many shows. i've had mixed experiences at metal shows too. i WILL say though that of course the values espoused by certain artists probably attract certain people. there are really hyper masculine metal bands with toxic bases and there are really hedonist/individualist edm artists with toxic fan bases too.

          idk, the op just feels like 'i don't like raves' which is fine but every show has it's cool people and assholes and in my experience when you show up with a good attitude i feel that most people try to meet you there. if someone goes to a rave and stand in a corner i'm not surprised they had a shitty time. :shrug-outta-hecks: just seems pointlessly divisive to me. i'd rather call out the class divide instead of some weird cultural genre divide. but it is anecdotally true that certain classes are attracted to different kinds of music i guess. idk, whatever. who cares really lmao.

    • AFineWayToDie [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Metal fans will run into each other at full speed, or the nearest wall if no one is nearby. But they will immediately stop and help you look if you shout that you lost your phone.

      Okay, it's not quite that cool IRL but it's a beautiful thought.