No, its only you if you are conscious in both worlds and there is a link. If someone completely killed my consciousness, no living cells, and then brought 'me' back years later after rotting in a grave, I'd still be dead. It needs to be a ship of theseus situation. A continual process.
Its not spirit, its electrical impulses in your head. They have never, ever, once stopped while you have existed. Even after you experience body death, you can have electrical impulses firing in your head for a while. Its possible to mechanically make you live after experiencing brain death, but you're gone and dead even if some nerves are firing. If this god-computer could transfer electrical impulses from your current head to the hell dimension and they are able to communicate while that is happening, then yes, they would both be you. But that is absurd and you would be experiencing hell right now.
Its continuity of consciousness. Like, I don't know how to explain it to you, but if they make an exact copy, that isnt you. Its a copy. A different session. A new set of instructions on RAM. It doesn't matter how accurate the simulation is, it doesn't transfer your life and consciousness. I'm pretty done explaining this, its just wrong on a biological level to think otherwise. You have to be in both spots at the same time, essentially, for the 'teleporter' to not kill you. Which is how its explain in Star Trek, for the record.
I'm not actually sure what position you're trying to defend here. I take a very functionalist view of consciousness and I have yet to be persuaded of the relevance of some kind of physical continuity (not sure how you even measure that).
Unless that's the consensus you were talking about, in which case I'll just note I was trying to gently pry the door open rather than come down hard on my side of it, as I'm a layperson and also not convinced the user I was replying to would have been receptive to that.
No, its only you if you are conscious in both worlds and there is a link. If someone completely killed my consciousness, no living cells, and then brought 'me' back years later after rotting in a grave, I'd still be dead. It needs to be a ship of theseus situation. A continual process.
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Its not spirit, its electrical impulses in your head. They have never, ever, once stopped while you have existed. Even after you experience body death, you can have electrical impulses firing in your head for a while. Its possible to mechanically make you live after experiencing brain death, but you're gone and dead even if some nerves are firing. If this god-computer could transfer electrical impulses from your current head to the hell dimension and they are able to communicate while that is happening, then yes, they would both be you. But that is absurd and you would be experiencing hell right now.
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Its continuity of consciousness. Like, I don't know how to explain it to you, but if they make an exact copy, that isnt you. Its a copy. A different session. A new set of instructions on RAM. It doesn't matter how accurate the simulation is, it doesn't transfer your life and consciousness. I'm pretty done explaining this, its just wrong on a biological level to think otherwise. You have to be in both spots at the same time, essentially, for the 'teleporter' to not kill you. Which is how its explain in Star Trek, for the record.
It's not "just wrong on a biological level" - it really depends on your understanding of consciousness and there isn't exactly a consensus.
hexbear understand object permanence challenge (impossible)
Hey, no need to be patronizing. It's just a philosophy discussion and we can be cool about it.
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I'm not actually sure what position you're trying to defend here. I take a very functionalist view of consciousness and I have yet to be persuaded of the relevance of some kind of physical continuity (not sure how you even measure that).
Unless that's the consensus you were talking about, in which case I'll just note I was trying to gently pry the door open rather than come down hard on my side of it, as I'm a layperson and also not convinced the user I was replying to would have been receptive to that.
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