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Can someone explained what hexbear is?
Removed by modI see all over Lemmy, people really seem to hate hexbear, and I don't get it. Can someone explain why most of Lemmy seems to absolutely hate them?
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Hexbear began as refugees from r/chapotraphouse, a leftist subreddit that was purged from Reddit by the admins 4 years ago, well before the API drama of last year.
The subreddit was banned due to supporting violence against """people""" known as slave owners. Posts saying kill slave owners, John Brown did nothing wrong, etc, was the catalyst.
Hexbear was then an un-federated Lemmy instance until last year. Basically, due to not being federated with others and being born from crude dirtbag leftists, culture on Hexbear has splintered from Reddit and Lemmy at large. Mainly, being civil was not a requirement so personal insults and ad hominem is seen as not only perfectly fine, but preferred. Also uniquely being a leftist space that hasn't had a large, community ending schism between the anarchists and Leninists has been a factor.
When Hexbear did become federated, Reddit refugees people didn't like our hardline LGBT inclusive anti NATO Anarcho-Stalinist takes, and used Reddit terms such as "brigading" to describe our behaviour, which is more or less a misunderstanding, we have posts sorted by "Active" by default so what you see first is what someone replied to most recently, and we don't have down votes so if you disagree with someone you reply to them to voice your disagreement instead of down voting and moving on like a coward. (EDIT: This has been the setup since BEFORE FEDERATION. By YEARS. Were we brigading ourselves? Christ. We discovered it promotes discussions and engagement, which is why our instance is the highest activity per capita by an order of magnitude before federation)
So oftentimes when a newly federated instance user posts something like "Vote blue no matter who!", it will show up to us, we can't downvote, we reply with something along the lines of "You're a dipshit", that increases engagement, other people see it, also reply with serious and unserious answers alike.
Oftentimes, Reddit refugee liberals see our scathing hatred of Democrats as pro-Trump because their brains are programmed to only see the existence of 2 parties, despite one of our biggest threads before federation being hundreds of posters hoping Trump dies when he first caught COVID. Or being against the expansion of NATO as being pro Putin. Or support for Palestine as antisemitism. Etc.
So basically, a combination of "crude" language, "brigading" and being "MAGA/Putin/CCP/Iran/shills/bots" makes Hexbear a prime target for hating on.
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Liberals minimizing fascism while saying we're the real fascists for telling them they're wrong, picture #69420
'Stochastic brigading', better known as 'replies I don't like'.
Damn, I wonder what responses I've missed out over time by simply not being able to see them.
All our ankle-biters are smarmy little shits that have been banned for a plethora of reasons usually revolving around either being bigots or reactionary little monsters that revel in genocide while crying crocodile tears about communist "genocides"
For this one it's the latter as they're another case of "left in form, right in essence"
Sounds like a cowardly dipshit who was forced into actually replying to prove how they are definitely not a coward
lmao
Hexbear is a leftist-unity instance of mostly socialists, communists, and anarchists.
Most people on Reddit are liberals (just look at how pro-israel Reddit is right now), so naturally alot of people migrating from Reddit didn't like it.
This, and a lot of liberals are entirely unaware of anything left of social democrats, so they're genuinely confused by anti-capitalism and anti-imperialism.
This results in democrats accusing HB of being trump supporters, conservatives accusing HB of being liberals, and both accusing them of being paid shills of foreign countries.
Huh, TIL that "liberals" doesn't include socialists and communists. I always thought of "liberals" and "conservatives" as general terms for left and right.
Liberalism fundamentally has an incompatiblity with socialism and communism because it's fubdamentally rooted in the rights of an individual to own land and/or the means of production, as well as supporting market economies.
This is in stark contrast to workers owning the means of production, or seizing private property for the greater good.
Liberals in other countries tend to be centre right, such as the Australian liberals or a fair amount of European liberals.
I know, I'm German. Looks like I've mostly heard these terms used by Americans.
Yeah no from what I've heard, it's just as bad in Germany, with Die Linke being controlled by social democrats. Which is weird considering East Germany is still in living memory and (I'd hope) your education covering how the nazis rose to power, since the split between liberals and communists is pretty important.
I'll be honest, I'm irony poisoned enough to can't tell if you're joking or just an American.
But just in case you're serious, I'll give a real short crash course on the difference between the left and right - and I mean this is really low brow basic that would get me shit for vulgarizing it so much.
If you wish to abolish the capitalist economic mode of production and establish a socialist economic mode of production, you're on the left.
If you do not wish to do that, you're on the right. This is why we - communists - call everyone from social democrats to fascists "Right-ists". They do not seek to abolish the current form of economic production, but preserve it. Ergo, why we call everyone liberals, for wanting to preserve the liberal market economy.
No, I'm not joking, my confusion stemmed from the fact that those who used those terms always seemed to mean them in the way I described. (Probably mostly Americans who grew up with the two party system)
In Germany - at least in my bubble - we don't talk about "liberals" vs "conservatives", the spectrum is more diverse.
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What Exactly is Liberalism? (no, it's not about being "woke")
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The Problem With Harm Reduction: Why Liberalism Won't Solve Anything
Conservatives are conservatives because they're completely politically illiterate lol; of course they won't use terms like "liberals" and "socialists" correctly.
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There was a similar use in the 17 and 1800s when conservatives were the upper nobility and liberals were the lower nobility and capitalists (this caused problems when the liberals, who used the working class to carry out their revolution, then turned on the working class when their own aims were achieved, since at that point, the interests of the lower nobility+capitalist classes diverged with the working class, which typically left the liberals unable to defend themselves from the forces of reaction. This happened at least 5 different times.).
Today though, conservatives are still liberal.
Wait, Reddit is pro-Israel now? I haven't been there in a while (to be honest, since before this topic escalated) but that surprises me
A few of the U.K. specific ones are as well. But then there are some subs pro Palestine.
People hate hexbear because they're always ahead of the curb and are right on the issues plaguing the day.
The problem is, is they only get proven right down the road after everyone forgets about the former issues and get mad at them for the new contemporary issues.
That and hexbear hands down has the best emojies and community on the whole fediverse and all the reddit-brainwashed turbo-nerds short-circuit every time they encounter an genuinely organic community that wasn't shaped by federal propaganda.
We're leftists and our site culture is pretty aggressive. Liberals are predisposed not to like us because of the first one, and we're especially prone to arguing with them in the comments of their instances because of the second. This means we're more well known and more disliked than we would be if we stayed in our corner.
Certainly, a portion of r/cth's appeal was that it was openly left and didn't follow liberal rules of politeness, respect, or decorum
They're insufferable commies who keep attacking other parts of the Fediverse by... uh... commenting on posts and... ehm... responding aggressively to bigoted content. They've got all these sick ass stickers that we don't and they keep flexing them in our replies which drives me crazy.
Their instance is an authoritarian distopia where queer people feel safe and they don't waste time debating the same wrong liberal talking points every time. Also you can just call someone a dumbass if you disagree with them: a totalitarian nightmare.
Worst of all they go around straight up bullying other Fediverse users: right now I'm locked in a bathroom stall that a Hexbear user shoved me into. I've been here for an hour missing my maths class, and I've had to drink the toilet water. My tummy is starting to hurt. Stay away from Hexbear users...
Hexbear is more than a website: She is Athena. She is light itself.
It's exactly what its description says
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You can go and ask Hexbear users themselves about it on their general megathread
It used to be called chapo.chat until a poll came up to change the name. IMO keeping it named chapo.chat would be better for name recognition, since Hexbear began in 2020 as a lifeboat from r/ChapoTrapHouse when reddit banned it for supporting John Brown's violence against slave owners
One issue I have with hexbear is that you can't argue with its users on hexbear itself. Most comments from outsiders are deleted within a day, and most of the users aren't interested in discussions and simply resort to name calling and personal attacks. The more "sophisticated" ones will tell you to "read theory". The amount of hexbear users actually capable of producing arguments seems to be very low, at least from my experience.
These issues exist on other instances as well of course, but on hexbear its particularly bad. The only other instances this toxic I have interacted with were lemmygrad and exploding-heads.
It's a strictly leftist instance lol (even more so than dbzer0), of course they'll ban liberals and other right-wingers (and your removed comments seem to be complaining about pronouns for some reason?)
Disagree about there not being good discussions on it; I regularly see the more interesting discussions on Lemmy on that instance, so long as you're acting in good faith.
Yeah, I don't agree with them on much in a political sense, but I've never really had a problem holding a conversation or debate because I'm not being a shit. And the times that I've said something a bit off base, they've always tried to confirm if I really meant what I said or if I was misunderstood before any moderation would happen.
But Chanel of what they call left is much MUCH narrower than most people think of it.
If you don't want to get banned you better not only be communist but also authoritharian as can be, you dont only love Marx and lenin, but you better also love Stalin, modern day russia and north Korea.
If you think of yourself as a Marxist communist, but don't agree with Stalins methods, you're a "libtard" to them and they won't even argue with you but only make fun and downvote you (or if on their instance often ban you)
Its the place tankies got to circlejerk, its no place for discussion or sharing/refining of left ideas.
Either you love Stalin like a god or you are a libtard, thats what I have seen from hexbear and lemmygrad users (not that different of clientele from what I have seen)
Okay maybe I'm mixing up lemmygrad and hexbear in my head a little bit to much, but alone the "we are very nuanced abut realsocialism, what you mean are just insincere memes, don't take them seriously" doesn't fit with the "we always argue in good faith, we are just sometimes not that polite" another hedbear user stated in this thread.
I think for people being tankies you could just dismiss the dumb comments as jokes, as you see quite few of them. When being actually wholeheartedly of the opinion that Stalins way of running a country is bad for not only minorities but everyone else and also inhumane, you get a lot of hate.
Sure you can say all the hate are jokes, all constructive discussion is for real, but that's making it to easy in my opinion.
The only discussions I head with hexbear people that were productive were the ones where they where on a different instance than their own, and arguing against multiple people, they sometimes made good arguments, but as soon as there where lots of them you would just get buzzwords and name calling along with down voting ton oblivion.
As for the "we are a colorful left scene", I kinda doubt that... Every time even I mentioned people like horkheimer or ardorno or said that the world isn't automatically a paradise as soon as someone gets president who calls himself socialist, I got called liberal and right wing and so on.
If you don't want to get banned you better not only be communist but also authoritharian as can be, you dont only love Marx and lenin, but you better also love Stalin, modern day russia and north Korea.
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The only removed comments that I could see were when you were getting upset about pronouns existing for some reason
Person bitching about Hexbear is a transphobe. No suprise there
deleted comments are complaining about pronouns
Hexbear being based as always
I blocked Hexbear after being insulted and called names that are far removed from my points of view, this was in a response to comments I made in a thread that might have been on Hexbear.
They looked at my instance which they claimed has had issues with trolls registering accounts there and decided I was a troll because I didn't fully agree with them, and then the insults started.
We clearly have different political viewpoints and personalities, my experience with Hexbear users is that they are very left, and very confrontational, I am more center/left, and much less confrontational.
Buzzword buzzword buzzword, you're indistinguishable from your Vlaams Belang party for trying to say "actually the Communists are the real fascists"
a notably right-wing fascist state masking as socialist just like the Nazis did
You're doing a bit, right? Please say you're doing a bit
Please explain how is North Korea a right-wing fascist state.
They are rowdy radical leftists, a mix of Anarchists and Marxist-Leninists. Much of Lemmy is more liberal than leftist, and as such disagrees with Hexbear, but the added kicker is that Hexbear is extremely rowdy, garnering an additional layer of separation from the more liberal sides of Lemmy.
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