Genocide denial is when you report the archeological and forensic evidence that contradicts a government claim
Grover Furr argues that our only evidence of it being a USSR massacre is from Nazi sources. I assume many here tak that line of reasoning. I don't know enough to say anything not already said by thousands of others, but it also seems pretty normal to me that the Nazi's would execute a large number of intelligentsia, considering they did a lot and already considered poles a lower race.
Honestly my opinion is: if the USSR did it, i will say "sucks that it happened, Id assume there was some reason like the Polish Intelligentsia having fascist ties, and we know that excess occurs in such times" and if the Nazi's did it "sucks that it happened, that's some normal fascist shit to do to a people you consider lower"
You can laugh, I guess, but it seems like most of the opposing evidence does come from sources I don't trust, like Nazi's and Americans. Grover Furr may not be the expert on the topic, but is convincing enough that I won't take it as absolutely clearcut that USSR soldiers did it.
Legit do not have enough information. Hoping this thread illuminates some
The vast majority of shell casings found were German and if I recall some were stamped with dates like 1941 or something
The thing that has always confused me about Katyn is that it completely contradicts the behaviour demonstrated in the well known interaction between Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill. And that incident is in Churchill's own memoirs:
“teasing of me, which I did not at all resent until the Marshal [Stalin] entered in a genial manner upon a serious and even deadly aspect of the punishment to be inflicted upon the Germans. The German General Staff, he said, must be liquidated. The whole force of Hitler’s mighty armies depended upon about 50,000 officers and technicians. If these were rounded up and shot at the end of the war, German military strength would be extirpated.” When Churchill angrily declared he would be no party to such mass retribution, the President [Roosevelt] quipped that he would act as mediator, and suggested the compromise of shooting only 49,000. In heat, Churchill left the room. Stalin himself fetched him back, assuring him it was all a jest.
Roosevelt and Stalin both teasing Churchill that all 50,000 or 49,000 nazi officers and technicians should be shot as a joke.
That didn't happen, obviously. And given that this is such an obvious joke it seriously makes me question whether it was a direct reference to the Katyn incident being attributed to the USSR falsely. Surely if they executed all the Polish officers then they would in fact have seriously wanted to see all the Nazi officers executed who were much worse than the Polish officers.
Something has never quite added up fully about it. The joke between the three of them has always struck me as an esoteric joke about war propaganda that Roosevelt and Stalin understood but Churchill did not get.
Referenced in the article:
The Katyn Massacre: A Re-examination in the Light of Recent Evidence Grover Furr Montclair State University (2020) https://ojs.library.ubc.ca/index.php/clogic/article/view/193976/190041
Better than learning the USSR was a genocidal fascist regime from a history professor at Princeton who used to work for the OSS.
https://ukraineuncensored.quora.com/The-Life-of-James-Burnham-From-Trotskyism-to-Italian-Fascism-to-the-Father-of-Neo-Conservatism?ch=10&oid=96513253
Outside of the fact that he's a grown man with a job that does this work in his own personal time with his own funds as an independent researcher, I fail to see how this is revelant to your unfounded assertion that Trotskyism has not had a historical impact on the neoconservative ideological development process.
Either engage with the material in good faith or disengage in this conversation on this topic.
