From a purely vexillological standpoint, I agree. Way too much going on.
HOWEVER, flags aren't just about pure aesthetics. They have meaning. And this flag (or at least the one without the gold and the purple circle) has entered the mainstream consciousness. It's come to represent LGBTQA issues with the BIPOC nod included. Since it's already gotten traction for a good cause, I'm all for it.
The more symbols that are added, the more diluted the meaning becomes though as each idea competes with the others for your attention.
The most powerful symbols are simple.
There’s also the fact that some black, brown or indigenous people do not feel their struggle is on the same orthogonal plane as the LGBTQ+ struggle and that equating “black oppression” and “gay oppression” flattens their specific issues.
If you want a coalition of many forces standing in solidarity under a single banner, that banner has to be all encompassing and simple. There’s a reason Cuba or the USSR didn’t put 1,000 symbols on their flags for every minority group within. A simple red or rainbow flag is more unifying than a flag with one hundred little symbols on it.
Yeah it's a little much. Maybe I'm just old af but back in my day pulls up suspenders the rainbow flag meant 'all the colors of the rainbow'. Meaning everyone
this is a complex topic but 1. they definitely haven't gone anywhere, have only continued to proliferate, and definitely can fly alongside any variation of the rainbow 2. the original pride flag was meant to signify solidarity and a united front of queers against the cishet patriarchy, which is, i think a more critical purpose than just a signalling personal identity with a kind of proxy for nationalism. However you might evaluate its success at carrying that meaning today, altering it to include more factions makes sense.
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It’s also just bad flag design and aesthetics to cram a bunch of symbols in. All the best flags are simple.
From a purely vexillological standpoint, I agree. Way too much going on.
HOWEVER, flags aren't just about pure aesthetics. They have meaning. And this flag (or at least the one without the gold and the purple circle) has entered the mainstream consciousness. It's come to represent LGBTQA issues with the BIPOC nod included. Since it's already gotten traction for a good cause, I'm all for it.
The more symbols that are added, the more diluted the meaning becomes though as each idea competes with the others for your attention.
The most powerful symbols are simple.
There’s also the fact that some black, brown or indigenous people do not feel their struggle is on the same orthogonal plane as the LGBTQ+ struggle and that equating “black oppression” and “gay oppression” flattens their specific issues.
If you want a coalition of many forces standing in solidarity under a single banner, that banner has to be all encompassing and simple. There’s a reason Cuba or the USSR didn’t put 1,000 symbols on their flags for every minority group within. A simple red or rainbow flag is more unifying than a flag with one hundred little symbols on it.
Yeah it's a little much. Maybe I'm just old af but back in my day pulls up suspenders the rainbow flag meant 'all the colors of the rainbow'. Meaning everyone
I do like all the separate non conglomerate flags
As we keep optimizing we will eventually have a pride QR code that measures 76x76 pixels
cyberpunk!
They never went away. If you visit our queer marches you will notice that there are multitudes :)
Though I agree that the strife for efficiency is not good unless to bring us towards the realm of freedom.
this is a complex topic but 1. they definitely haven't gone anywhere, have only continued to proliferate, and definitely can fly alongside any variation of the rainbow 2. the original pride flag was meant to signify solidarity and a united front of queers against the cishet patriarchy, which is, i think a more critical purpose than just a signalling personal identity with a kind of proxy for nationalism. However you might evaluate its success at carrying that meaning today, altering it to include more factions makes sense.
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You only have flag version 2.3? You bigot we’re onto version 3.1 already get with the program!!!
Yeah good luck trying to keep up with all the assorted rainbow flags. There must be dozens of them. RIP to anyone with any kind of color blindness.
There's also some versions of these where someone tries to sneak the MAP flag in.