and a larger focus on how it doesnt matter what he feels, because the multiverse
an objectively stupid take. You're here and you matter for who and what you are. You could add in a million people just like you and each of them would matter. People are non-fungible
My take is that some people are so selfish and self absorbed and solipstistic that it feels like a threat if they aren't personally exceptional enough compared to other people that otherwise did nothing to harm or even hinder them.
It gets blurry sometimes, especially from reductionistic pop nihilist types that say stuff like the machines are at least as worthy as the mere human "meat puppets" being replaced or even destroyed by them.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying machines doing work is bad. I'm saying that people that use sophistry to explain why people shouldn't even push back when capitalism fucks people over with machines that could have instead made their lives better are bad.
So, I'm not smart enough to really understand what 'non-fungible' means, so I took "people are non-funglible" to basically more or less mean "people are good and I love them." That, to me, seems a basic tenant of leftism.
What it means is that people shouldn't be seen as interchangeable, redundant, or disposable just because there are other people that can ostensibly take their place, or something "superior" to them for that matter.
“people are good and I love them.”
That probably is as far as you need to go. :avoheart:
The dumb parody episodes where the entire point was just “hey look at how dumb and overdone these tropes are in this genre of tv, and how above it we are” were the real low part of the show for me, especially since they keep happening. They literally watch like slightly better written cinema sins videos
Maybe the reason Rick Sanchez is such a farcically plot armored ego insert power fantasy character for Justin Roiland is he needed to make the smartest and bestest exceptional version of how he sees himself, superior and above the NPCs or whatever, so very unique.
Yes yes "Council of Ricks" and all that, but that's just the old techbro belief that only the very special ought to rule everyone else.
I mean the old Peter O Toole/Orson Welles bit about Shakespeare playing the ghost rings true. The great artists know not to take the lead role but instead some role that sells the illusion/sets the stage for the lead.
Immature artists like Roliand and Lin Manuel cast themselves as leads since they can't imagine receding into the background (as great authors and artists do).
I wholeheartedly agree. It's in very bad taste and a sign of arrogance and hubris to not only have a blatant ego insert but to make that ego insert that plot armored and awesome and amazing while being the main character.
The show never really read against him in the first place. Despite all the opposition Rick gets, his philosophy and viewpoint always turn out to be right in the end.
The closest they get is showing Rick as sad but even then it plays into the self-felating "tragic smart guy" who isn't understood by the sheeple around him.
Yeah again, it's immature art, since the mature artist isn't concerned with making sure people read things exactly right (think of Verhoeven GOD and chuds reading Starship Troopers as rah rah - granted in that case they're telling on themselves a bit..)
and a larger focus on how it doesnt matter what he feels, because the multiverse
This was a non-starter for me. What kind of :brainworms: are behind the notion?
If there were multiple universes in infinite combinations and presumably alternate versions of someone because infinity is weird that way, it simply does not follow to me that an individual in any specific universe suddenly "doesn't matter" and that their existence is somehow invalid and/or disposable.
Sure, if a pop nihilistic edgelord like Rich Sanchez or Justin Roiland had the means to harm that specific universe to power his car or get access to treats or something that would of course be bad, but the narrative stating "these lives don't matter because multiverse" is just :brainworms: to me, even if multiverses existed and worked somewhat like that.
I should clarify that the idea could be interesting but the whole thing was subjectively a non-starter for me because of the pop nihilistic spectacles and ranting from Roiland himself throughout the presentation. The show itself was a non-starter each and every time well meaning friends insisted that this clip or that clip would pull me in in a way that the first episode and/or "haha what if Doc Brown but :libertarian-alert: " pilot didn't.
this is the basically the edgelord version of Rocko's basilisk and 'effective altruism' which are both just doing eugenics with extra steps - so just a multiverse of bazinga chuds all the way down
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an objectively stupid take. You're here and you matter for who and what you are. You could add in a million people just like you and each of them would matter. People are non-fungible
It bewilders me how many times I've had to argue something like that to pop nihilists of varying sorts.
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My take is that some people are so selfish and self absorbed and solipstistic that it feels like a threat if they aren't personally exceptional enough compared to other people that otherwise did nothing to harm or even hinder them.
Isn't this like....a basic tenant of leftism? Fucking sucks that people don't understand this.
It gets blurry sometimes, especially from reductionistic pop nihilist types that say stuff like the machines are at least as worthy as the mere human "meat puppets" being replaced or even destroyed by them.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying machines doing work is bad. I'm saying that people that use sophistry to explain why people shouldn't even push back when capitalism fucks people over with machines that could have instead made their lives better are bad.
So, I'm not smart enough to really understand what 'non-fungible' means, so I took "people are non-funglible" to basically more or less mean "people are good and I love them." That, to me, seems a basic tenant of leftism.
What it means is that people shouldn't be seen as interchangeable, redundant, or disposable just because there are other people that can ostensibly take their place, or something "superior" to them for that matter.
That probably is as far as you need to go. :avoheart:
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Roiland doesn't care and therefore the smartest and most powerful man in the universe doesn't care. No one should care! GET SCHWIFTY! :so-true:
The dumb parody episodes where the entire point was just “hey look at how dumb and overdone these tropes are in this genre of tv, and how above it we are” were the real low part of the show for me, especially since they keep happening. They literally watch like slightly better written cinema sins videos
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This cannot be stressed enough.
The implication that things only matter if there's a specific and limited exclusive set of them is like NFT brain with extra steps.
I love how everything everywhere so easily rejects this kind of bullshit
Maybe the reason Rick Sanchez is such a farcically plot armored ego insert power fantasy character for Justin Roiland is he needed to make the smartest and bestest exceptional version of how he sees himself, superior and above the NPCs or whatever, so very unique.
Yes yes "Council of Ricks" and all that, but that's just the old techbro belief that only the very special ought to rule everyone else.
I mean the old Peter O Toole/Orson Welles bit about Shakespeare playing the ghost rings true. The great artists know not to take the lead role but instead some role that sells the illusion/sets the stage for the lead.
Immature artists like Roliand and Lin Manuel cast themselves as leads since they can't imagine receding into the background (as great authors and artists do).
I wholeheartedly agree. It's in very bad taste and a sign of arrogance and hubris to not only have a blatant ego insert but to make that ego insert that plot armored and awesome and amazing while being the main character.
I mean negative capability exists (i.e. we can always read "against" Rick or these other self inserts since there are other characters).
But the degree of self inserts just makes that so hard. Susan Sarandon as the therapist is right, but the show keeps screaming Pickle Rick....
From what others tell me, including here, the show reads "against" Rick less and less over time as it is. :disgost:
The show never really read against him in the first place. Despite all the opposition Rick gets, his philosophy and viewpoint always turn out to be right in the end.
The closest they get is showing Rick as sad but even then it plays into the self-felating "tragic smart guy" who isn't understood by the sheeple around him.
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Yeah again, it's immature art, since the mature artist isn't concerned with making sure people read things exactly right (think of Verhoeven GOD and chuds reading Starship Troopers as rah rah - granted in that case they're telling on themselves a bit..)
This was a non-starter for me. What kind of :brainworms: are behind the notion?
If there were multiple universes in infinite combinations and presumably alternate versions of someone because infinity is weird that way, it simply does not follow to me that an individual in any specific universe suddenly "doesn't matter" and that their existence is somehow invalid and/or disposable.
Sure, if a pop nihilistic edgelord like Rich Sanchez or Justin Roiland had the means to harm that specific universe to power his car or get access to treats or something that would of course be bad, but the narrative stating "these lives don't matter because multiverse" is just :brainworms: to me, even if multiverses existed and worked somewhat like that.
It wasn't a non-starter for me, because there's an interesting critique you can make about this perspective.
but like what @LegaliiizeIt said it became over time apparent there was no actual critique being made.
I should clarify that the idea could be interesting but the whole thing was subjectively a non-starter for me because of the pop nihilistic spectacles and ranting from Roiland himself throughout the presentation. The show itself was a non-starter each and every time well meaning friends insisted that this clip or that clip would pull me in in a way that the first episode and/or "haha what if Doc Brown but :libertarian-alert: " pilot didn't.
this is the basically the edgelord version of Rocko's basilisk and 'effective altruism' which are both just doing eugenics with extra steps - so just a multiverse of bazinga chuds all the way down