It is absolutely necessary for people to express a positive interaction when someone makes a joke. That's how jokes work: you tell a joke and it makes other people laugh which is an auditory signal that what you've said made other people happy, which in turn makes you happy. Its a mutually beneficial interaction. We cant hear other people laugh through the internet, so we need another way to positively interact with humor, thats the point of upvotes.
Getting 50 upvotes on a post feels good, getting 50 comments of just "lol" would not. Its really that simple.
Honestly yes. If this is such a big deal to you that it legitimately upsets you then you should find another site to use rather than trying to force everyone else to accept a change that they do not want.
Maybe if the admins could make visible votes an option you could turn off, would that be a better solution? Anyone who doesnt want to see them could simply choose to do so.
And as to the algorithm you can always choose to sort by new or old. Sorting by Top, Hot, and Active are already optional, I dont see why removing them would make anything better.
I'm jumping into this late, but if you don't have time to upbear things, would you then have time to comment on everything that you thought deserved feedback?
Would those things that made you laugh then receive no feedback? If I make a comment or post, and then get no comments or feedback, it makes it seem like nobody is even reading my post. Why would I post again when nobody is reading it?
What? I'm posting here because I want to know that I am having some interaction with people. If I post something and get no comments, that's fine. But I want some way to know that people are at least looking and reading what I wrote.
Not everyone has time to write comments on everything they read here.
It's nice to give someone a 'hey, I read this, it was good' pat on the back. Acknowledge that you saw their post, even if you don't have anything specific to say or ask about it.
I don't think I'm explaining this right, since you aren't really responding to what I'm saying.
It's not about dopamine, it's about whether it's even worth posting if I can't tell if anyone is reading the post.
The point is interaction with people - I don't have hours to spend writing comments to every post I enjoy. Even little comments like your suggested one takes time. It would seem to me that comment number wouldn't go up, but indication that anyone has read posts and comments would not be there any more.
If I wanted to say something that nobody is listening to I could just talk to myself or scream it into the void. If I'm here it's because of providing information to someone, or receiving. Even if that information is just a nod.
I also don't really understand what upbears have to do with post or comment length -- there isn't a link there in my mind. You wouldn't see an increase in interaction on long posts, what you would be enforcing is a decrease of indication of interaction of shorter posts, I guess. If the point is to get more people to read long posts -- well, this isn't a way to do that. You need to create time I think.
I write a lot of long comments. I'm with you on that. If I write something good I want to know, and there should be a mechanism for knowing if I write something bad. I want to be corrected and called out for bad takes. You should also. I come here to learn and have my good takes reinforced and bad takes called out. Currently bad takes are called out by comments. Good takes are agreed on by comments and upbears. Added to. Refined.
It's almost like sometimes people just want to read things and not have to go through the effort of typing out a long reply everytime they want to show that they've read something.
I only have the time to read a couple of long posts and then I have other non-online things I need to get to. The number of thoughtful replies is not going to increase with removing upbears. That would be if I had more time. If there is not a button to click , and I have to type out something thoughtful each time I wanted to interact with something to show someone I read it and it was worth their time typing out, then I would just not do that. I wouldnt be commenting more. Interaction would not increase, and I don't really see how you think people will just magically have more time on their hands by making things more difficult.
Thanks. I do think there is an addictive and people pleasing nature to upbears, but even still, I think that the quality and quantity of interaction on longer posts wouldn't be changed. Me upvoting a silly meme doesn't make me any more or less likely to actually provide a thoughtful comment to something that catches my brain.
People can and should sort by new. I always read posts that have few upbears for that reason. I've never even considered that the number of upbears is a measure of the quality of a post. I see it, as you said, as a measure of how many people have read it. I always assume that I am getting to the party early. I never judge other posts by the upbeat number - but I do want a way to see the upbears on my posts to see if people have read them. Maybe part of the issue is with the way posts are ranked?
But, providing a thoughtful comment is still an amount of effort that is not necessarily accessible on large quantities. There is a maximum of comments and discussion possible. I think that there should be levels of engagement, and I share the concern of others in this thread that removal of upbear will lead to pages of "This!" "+1" "Well said" "Agree" etc. In the comments, which frankly would negatively affect the website experience.
I wouldn't be against trying the site out without upbears and seeing how it is. I don't know how the balance between casual interaction that provides acknowledgement of effort and removing the addictive nature would be incorporated.
I'd be fine with that I think. That would address the issue I would have. I would prefer it not in DMs, it could be overwhelming. But hidden upbears, where you can just see your own posts (if you have that enables) I think would work.
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It is absolutely necessary for people to express a positive interaction when someone makes a joke. That's how jokes work: you tell a joke and it makes other people laugh which is an auditory signal that what you've said made other people happy, which in turn makes you happy. Its a mutually beneficial interaction. We cant hear other people laugh through the internet, so we need another way to positively interact with humor, thats the point of upvotes.
Getting 50 upvotes on a post feels good, getting 50 comments of just "lol" would not. Its really that simple.
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Honestly yes. If this is such a big deal to you that it legitimately upsets you then you should find another site to use rather than trying to force everyone else to accept a change that they do not want.
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Maybe if the admins could make visible votes an option you could turn off, would that be a better solution? Anyone who doesnt want to see them could simply choose to do so.
And as to the algorithm you can always choose to sort by new or old. Sorting by Top, Hot, and Active are already optional, I dont see why removing them would make anything better.
I'm jumping into this late, but if you don't have time to upbear things, would you then have time to comment on everything that you thought deserved feedback?
Would those things that made you laugh then receive no feedback? If I make a comment or post, and then get no comments or feedback, it makes it seem like nobody is even reading my post. Why would I post again when nobody is reading it?
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What? I'm posting here because I want to know that I am having some interaction with people. If I post something and get no comments, that's fine. But I want some way to know that people are at least looking and reading what I wrote.
Not everyone has time to write comments on everything they read here.
It's nice to give someone a 'hey, I read this, it was good' pat on the back. Acknowledge that you saw their post, even if you don't have anything specific to say or ask about it.
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I don't think I'm explaining this right, since you aren't really responding to what I'm saying.
It's not about dopamine, it's about whether it's even worth posting if I can't tell if anyone is reading the post.
The point is interaction with people - I don't have hours to spend writing comments to every post I enjoy. Even little comments like your suggested one takes time. It would seem to me that comment number wouldn't go up, but indication that anyone has read posts and comments would not be there any more.
If I wanted to say something that nobody is listening to I could just talk to myself or scream it into the void. If I'm here it's because of providing information to someone, or receiving. Even if that information is just a nod.
I also don't really understand what upbears have to do with post or comment length -- there isn't a link there in my mind. You wouldn't see an increase in interaction on long posts, what you would be enforcing is a decrease of indication of interaction of shorter posts, I guess. If the point is to get more people to read long posts -- well, this isn't a way to do that. You need to create time I think.
I write a lot of long comments. I'm with you on that. If I write something good I want to know, and there should be a mechanism for knowing if I write something bad. I want to be corrected and called out for bad takes. You should also. I come here to learn and have my good takes reinforced and bad takes called out. Currently bad takes are called out by comments. Good takes are agreed on by comments and upbears. Added to. Refined.
Anyway, I don't think we should get rid of them.
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It's almost like sometimes people just want to read things and not have to go through the effort of typing out a long reply everytime they want to show that they've read something.
I only have the time to read a couple of long posts and then I have other non-online things I need to get to. The number of thoughtful replies is not going to increase with removing upbears. That would be if I had more time. If there is not a button to click , and I have to type out something thoughtful each time I wanted to interact with something to show someone I read it and it was worth their time typing out, then I would just not do that. I wouldnt be commenting more. Interaction would not increase, and I don't really see how you think people will just magically have more time on their hands by making things more difficult.
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Yes, and removing upbears doesnt change that.
How will removing upbears change the amount of time people have?
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Thanks. I do think there is an addictive and people pleasing nature to upbears, but even still, I think that the quality and quantity of interaction on longer posts wouldn't be changed. Me upvoting a silly meme doesn't make me any more or less likely to actually provide a thoughtful comment to something that catches my brain.
People can and should sort by new. I always read posts that have few upbears for that reason. I've never even considered that the number of upbears is a measure of the quality of a post. I see it, as you said, as a measure of how many people have read it. I always assume that I am getting to the party early. I never judge other posts by the upbeat number - but I do want a way to see the upbears on my posts to see if people have read them. Maybe part of the issue is with the way posts are ranked?
But, providing a thoughtful comment is still an amount of effort that is not necessarily accessible on large quantities. There is a maximum of comments and discussion possible. I think that there should be levels of engagement, and I share the concern of others in this thread that removal of upbear will lead to pages of "This!" "+1" "Well said" "Agree" etc. In the comments, which frankly would negatively affect the website experience.
I wouldn't be against trying the site out without upbears and seeing how it is. I don't know how the balance between casual interaction that provides acknowledgement of effort and removing the addictive nature would be incorporated.
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I'd be fine with that I think. That would address the issue I would have. I would prefer it not in DMs, it could be overwhelming. But hidden upbears, where you can just see your own posts (if you have that enables) I think would work.
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