People who turn their lack of interest in sport into a personality trait are so lame. Bonus points for unironic use of “sportsball”.
That being said there is a point to make about CTE, the exploitation of these young players, lack of preparation for life after their brief careers, on and on. I’m not particularly an NFL guy.
“Finding a single crumb of joy and sense of community in our alienated society is bad actually”
:so-true:
I didn’t say everyone has to like sport. But pretending it is completely valueless is weird. People want to belong to something and in the grand scheme of things, cheering for the local team is a pretty harmless expression of that compared to say, joining your local racism club or whatever other alternative they have in America.
There’s also this weird thing called “playing sport” where you join a team, working with others towards a common goal and engaging in competition with others doing the same. Forming bonds of friendship, improving your physical and mental well being.
sport yes, sports fandom certainly not in the horrific way it occurs under capitalism.
and if the people from one SSR hated the people from the neighboring one over sports then those people should've been reeducated into not being like that.
the sports dork because a bunch of people who should have thought critically about our cultural practices and normative rituals are in here defending it, on top of being normalized and unquestioned in society at large.
the cultural slop I enjoy doesn't encourage me to hate other people who wear a different shirt. I am also far far more critical of the business practices of the companies involved than i have ever seen from the typical privileged-interest american sportsfan
If it's a local team or one you have a genuine connection to, sure. But 95% of sports team fans are basically just fanboys of football team corporation #56 Ltd.
is it? or is it part of the indoctrination against empathy and a reinforcement of the same garbage in-group/ out-group mentality of racism and every other bigotry?
I mean they don't hate each other and the antagonism is part of a social game they have agreed to play and they don't actually bear each other any ill will
sit down and have a think about how healthy it is for a society to have a bunch of people recreationally pretending to hate one another, and then do some more thinking about all the times where some shithead acts on that supposedly fake hatred.
As long as they aren't rioting or getting into physical fights over the team it's okay. No need to be a killjoy. Genuinely liking stuff that doesn't harm others is more interesting than being a hater
Still less cringey than people who obsess over Harry Potter or any other generic fandom because at least athletes are real people and not drawings or a fictional world. I would rather have people obsess over real people doing real things than obsess over make-believe and pretend.
i don't find it very worthwhile to differentiate obsessive fandom, but I do find ritualistic hatred of the other more offensive than simple consumerism
Some weeks, quadruply so as male-presenting, it's like every fucking hour or conversation or literally just looking in a direction will have an ad that is either assuming or urging me to watch sports and spend money on sports and care about fucking sports and I do not. Making a point of not liking sports isn't the coolest, but it's also understandable to make a point of complaining when you've spent a significant amount of life being told that you obviously must like it and follow it and support a team and etc.
People who turn their lack of interest in sport into a personality trait are so lame. Bonus points for unironic use of “sportsball”.
That being said there is a point to make about CTE, the exploitation of these young players, lack of preparation for life after their brief careers, on and on. I’m not particularly an NFL guy.
and people who turn their obsession with the performance of a sports team they do not play on or administer into a personality trait are... ?
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“Finding a single crumb of joy and sense of community in our alienated society is bad actually”
:so-true:
I didn’t say everyone has to like sport. But pretending it is completely valueless is weird. People want to belong to something and in the grand scheme of things, cheering for the local team is a pretty harmless expression of that compared to say, joining your local racism club or whatever other alternative they have in America.
There’s also this weird thing called “playing sport” where you join a team, working with others towards a common goal and engaging in competition with others doing the same. Forming bonds of friendship, improving your physical and mental well being.
But yeh muh sportsball bad.
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community built around consumerism and hating the other is not good community.
Sport, famously a massive part of life in the apparently consumerist and xenophobic USSR
sport yes, sports fandom certainly not in the horrific way it occurs under capitalism.
and if the people from one SSR hated the people from the neighboring one over sports then those people should've been reeducated into not being like that.
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the sports dork because a bunch of people who should have thought critically about our cultural practices and normative rituals are in here defending it, on top of being normalized and unquestioned in society at large.
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the cultural slop I enjoy doesn't encourage me to hate other people who wear a different shirt. I am also far far more critical of the business practices of the companies involved than i have ever seen from the typical privileged-interest american sportsfan
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Being a fan of a sports team is the most direct form of a sense of community that people have left, so I won’t begrudge them for it
If it's a local team or one you have a genuine connection to, sure. But 95% of sports team fans are basically just fanboys of football team corporation #56 Ltd.
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and rival team fans hate eachother for no reason instead of building class solidarity.
I think local sports team tribalism is pretty far down the list of things undermining intra-class solidarity.
is it? or is it part of the indoctrination against empathy and a reinforcement of the same garbage in-group/ out-group mentality of racism and every other bigotry?
do not in fact hate each other it's a game they play
fans don't play
or if you mean the ritualistic hatred of the other is "for fun lol" I don't think it makes that aspect of american sports fandom any less contemptable
I mean they don't hate each other and the antagonism is part of a social game they have agreed to play and they don't actually bear each other any ill will
sit down and have a think about how healthy it is for a society to have a bunch of people recreationally pretending to hate one another, and then do some more thinking about all the times where some shithead acts on that supposedly fake hatred.
engaging in a hobby
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As long as they aren't rioting or getting into physical fights over the team it's okay. No need to be a killjoy. Genuinely liking stuff that doesn't harm others is more interesting than being a hater
the petty hatred i saw growing up in sports culture seemed pretty fucking harmful to society and solidarity
Still less cringey than people who obsess over Harry Potter or any other generic fandom because at least athletes are real people and not drawings or a fictional world. I would rather have people obsess over real people doing real things than obsess over make-believe and pretend.
i don't find it very worthwhile to differentiate obsessive fandom, but I do find ritualistic hatred of the other more offensive than simple consumerism
Some weeks, quadruply so as male-presenting, it's like every fucking hour or conversation or literally just looking in a direction will have an ad that is either assuming or urging me to watch sports and spend money on sports and care about fucking sports and I do not. Making a point of not liking sports isn't the coolest, but it's also understandable to make a point of complaining when you've spent a significant amount of life being told that you obviously must like it and follow it and support a team and etc.
Am I allowed to use sportsball, if I'm actually watching the sport I am currently calling sportsball?