JP is literally the stereotypical dilettante that he says is miserable in his book. It's probably why he is so familiar with the topic, it's a self help book for himself. If you have ever seen any of his live streams, the man literally keeps a dirty office.
That said, all JP has inspired is school shootings and pressuring for sex, he is no comparison to the man around whom both the 20th and 21st century revolves.
It used to be that reading the work of someone before you criticized them was considered a requirement. Now anybody can become an anti-Marxist without reading a single word he wrote.
This reminded me of his debate with Zizek. He couldn't be assed to do more than skim the Manifesto to critique Marx
This phenomenon, I think, is due to a campaign of obfuscation and a continual attack on the meaning and substance behind these things.
These concrete terms and concepts have been reduced to vague inclinations and undefined and fundamentally nebulous and ungraspable phenomena. Instead of critiquing solid beliefs and ideas accompanied by a rigorous body of academic work, you are now critiquing and defending a “feeling”. A constant, all-encompassing and omnipresent feeling, but a feeling nonetheless. And arguments about feelings don’t have anything to do with academics. All you have to do is argue from some inherent, innate knowledge that you know you must possess because doing the reading is too much work, even as you spend hours a day posting screeds about Chinese cum machines on twitter. This is why debate has been reduced to such an uneducated joke that it can scarcely still be called debate. “Marxism” and “capitalism” - these terms have been robbed of their meaning and therefore any debate can only be devoid of intellectual vigor. How many anticommunist can name a single Marxist concept and form a coherent critique? You’d be hard pressed to find one that doesn’t just go on a meaningless tirade about 1984. This is the result of decades of American anti-intellectualism. Now we have to live in a world where the aesthetics of intellectual meaning are still there but the thing itself is dead.
Obviously, meaningful discussions occur every day. But about Marxism and in a mainstream setting? Forget about it.
I mean, that's the work of propaganda. An anticommunist hardly knows what they stand against; and yet they will attack communism, even without knowledge of its terms, inner workings and intellectual history. I agree with you, but I think this phenomenon refers more broadly to the effects of anticommunist propaganda on the peoples of Earth, rather than only the American people. Anti-intelectualism in only part of it. The Americans were only more brutally affected by it, being at the seat of the Empire and all.
Not really arguing anything; I guess I just wanted to rant for a bit.
Idk, I can only read the word linen so many times before it starts to not seem like a real word and the rest of my language comprehension starts to degrade from there.
look ive made 100 winter coats and it took totally different amounts of linen every time I did it. Now I have all these coats and I don't think I learned theory at all.
Meanwhile, the dweebs who follow Peterson will of course insist that you read every word he ever wrote and watch his 2700 hours of youtube content before you're allowed to express any opinion on their doctor daddy.
It's very convenient.
He didn't consider human nature. $1 million for this keen insight, please.
Why one of the most influential thinkers in history should have anachronistically taken the advice of a pill popping grifter who's intellectual contribution has been to make dudes even worse. Peterson has got to be one of the laziest motherfuckers in the public sphere.
Calling Pordan Jeterson an intellectual is an insult to the concept of intellectualism.
Of course someone who tells the lowest common denominator everything they want to hear is going to be popular
"Nazism le good, pollution is cool! If you're not a malignant narcissist like normal people you're a loser!'
It would be like calling McDonald's worthy of a Michelin star because it's popular.
Oh, don't worry, I would NEVER accuse you of calling him one. But some poor souls do.
I mean, steampunk and retvrn people are about that. Being anachronistic via the future is harder than the past tho.
Hey Jordan
Have you fixed the world yet? No? Cleaned your room yet? No?
Then fuck off and stop telling a real political scientist who actually inspired revolutions and actually changed the world how to do his job.
Marx literally inspired the Soviets, who in turn got the first human into space. He fucking changed the world and you aren't worth the shit on his boots.
Jordans only interested in cleaning his living room... oh sorry, Lebensraum 😱
HENRIETTA MARX: where do you think you’re going
KARL MARX: to my room
to write more poems for Jenny von Westphalen
HENRIETTA MARX: well while you’re up there
you might as well clean the room if you’re going to be doing poems in it
KARL MARX: i’ll do it LATER
HENRIETTA MARX: i left the cleaning supplies outside your door
you’ll do it now
KARL MARX: wow mom
it’s the MEANS of production
not the CRUELS of production
https://the-toast.net/2015/08/18/dirtbag-karl-marx/
"Karl, clean your damn room or you're cut off." --Friedrich Engels
"OK but can you send an extra $10 in allowance this month" -- Karl Marx
And yet in the long run neither mattered. His room and personal life no longer exists, but his writings are still inspiring people today.
Karl would definitely be a hexbear user if they were around today
Lenin would have a blogspot btw. It would be one of those weird blogspots that have been maintained for decades with weekly articles and months long discussions in the comment section.
I'm just imagining Lenin in AOL chatrooms arguing with others
He and Martov writing page long tracts in a years long argument on
a years old buffy fan forum that they're literally the only active users on.gaiaonline
every one of these possibilities is more plausible and therefore more depressing than the last.
He would have probably gotten banned from here after digging his heels in on some necrotic struggle session tbh
My man was grappling to understand with the Eldritch Abomination that is capitalism while also being an exiled scholar, I think under those circumstances it is physically impossible for ones room to be clean lmao
Also the entire time he was writing the Grundrisse he was convinced he was going to die in a imminent revolutionary uprising
history is going to forget you, Jordan
history will not forget Marx unless we destroy ourselves before building what he initially envisioned
tbqh the entire concept is kind of ableist. like unironically. people with adhd or various forms of neurodivergency find it much harder to focus on repetitive daily tasks like cleanliness than abstract, constantly important-feeling matters like the state of the world. and in many ways changing the world makes it literally easier for those people to clean their room. (fixing med shortage for adhd people = more adhd people cleaning their rooms)
Cleaning your room is hard. There's a part of my room where dust accumulates and I don't want to use my vacuum all the time.
Clean rooms are bourgeois.
Why is the room getting dirty?
Maybe one can have some control over the means or forces of dirt production?^^I've not read Marx, so this is may just be world salad based on my understanding from random vids n short articles^^
Tho, I do think that if the dust accumulation is serious, the specific reason should be found out.
If Mr. Marks would have listened to JBP then he wouldn't have starved over a million Ukrainians to death in the holodomor.
Stalin: my room is very cluttered with all this Ukrainian grain time to clean it up
I thought this had to be fake, but nope. https://catalyst.independent.org/2024/04/30/karl-marx-needed-jordan-peterson/
He was lazy but greedy, always begging for money from family and friends who feared for his happiness and sanity.
lol
He was so self-centered one wonders if he was on the spectrum.
Nice ableism, fuck off.
Who are Catalyst and the Independent Institute behind it, you ask? Answer: a ”libertarian think tank” that has taken money from Koch (of course), published climate change denialism, and once ran an anti-antitrust ad in the Washington Post and New York Times that was sponsored by Microsoft.
https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/fighting-climate-chaos/climate-deniers/front-groups/independent-institute/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Institute
Why A Dead Guy needs Some Pillhead's advice.
What a stupid article.
