I've been hearing more and more really scary shit about how Turkey is handling the aftermath of this earthquake. From strangling communications used, among other things, by people trapped to tell rescuers they're alive, to preventing the movement of people internally, a general lack of mobilization of emergency resources that were supposed to be in place and paid for by a specific tax after the last devastating quakes.
I'm sorry but this has no basis in reality. Erdogan has empowered an oligarchy with himself at it's head. You're just ignoring everything that I'm saying in favor of a fantastical Turkiye that doesn't exist.
Never thought this site would have Turkish Nationalists. I thought they hated leftists.
It's complicated, because Erdogan has shaken hands with pretty much the entire political spectrum of Turkiye. And promptly burned bridges with them when it was useful to do so. A lot of reddit educated people think that Erdogan is just a big meanie persecuting an esoteric self support religious organization ie the gulenists. Except Gulen and Erdogan were allies and Gulen's movement was instrumental in how Erdogan captured the turkish state, subjugated the judiciary and broke down the professional bureaucracy.
So who are the Turkish Nationalists in that situation? Is it the AKPartists who want CIA Gulen extradited and punished because of the attempts coup few years ago? Or is it the opposition, who hates Gulen even more since he pulled a Gorbachev, helped destroy the rule of law in their country, and now lives with all the rights and privileges of a wealthy Pennsylvanian? The answer is probably most both at this point.
Yeah, super weird to see one pop up here. Erdogan is anti-communist and has been extremely harsh in crushing Turkish leftists and Kurdish movements. He's also an Armenian genocide denialist...
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Once saw a comment here that was excusing Azerbaijan by saying that Armenia "deserved it"
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Yeah and I'm not about to pretend that it doesn't happen in Russia or the US because I agree or disagree with the parties in power, or with their political projects. The turkish state is under the private interests of Erdogan's family and their cronies in the AKP. Their control of the media reflects that. Their nation building ambitions are far from a country like China's. It's a standard representative democracy living through a breakdown of law and living standards. That's what is at stake in Turkiye, not a fantasy where the Turkish president is some sort of far sighted Dengist beset by his enemies.
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So is Erdogan's government so catastrophic that he's making it easy for leftists to take over, or is he a far sighted leader at the head of 'good governance'? Which is it?
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And frankly I just disagree.
like, this is just not a thing that is happening in Turkiye. not sanctioning russia is not that.
Fair enough, we can agree to disagree and we'll see how things progress there I guess. Its possible that his coalition will lose the elections, in which case we can see what the alternatives are.
Erdogan won't lose the election. His core supporters are religious conservatives and older people, that wins elections by itself. But the opposition is too fractured, more interested in their narrow political projects than pragmatic politics. The only thing that unites them is a desire to restore judicial independence and the parliamentary system. Besides that, the opposition is more likely to criticize it's own heroes - either because they don't conform to every party's ideals or didn't in the past. Essentially, the group is so heterogeneous that anyone who displays a modicum of political acumen. Plus, the opposition relies too much on young voters and we know how that turns out.
The real question is what will happen when Erdogan dies and wether the AKP will even survive without him. Every one of his heir apparents turned out to be failsons in law so it's a coin toss.