I called someone out on the groupchat for saying that if communist orgs can hand out leaflets with Lenin on them he should be able to do nazi salutes in public. He claimed Lenin killed millions and said “ever heard of the holodomor genocide”. I talked about how the famines weren’t a genocide (and how he'd actually been dead for almost a decade before they happened) and later said radlib came in, claimed Lenin oppressed all the people of the USSR (but admitted he helped Ukraine), posted this video and left
Can someone explain to me the difference between a famine during the Great Depression affecting one of the most war torn regions of its time in a nation without industrial capacity, and planning to put over 20 million human beings into industrial gas chambers and starting a war that kills 60 million in order to achieve that dream of removing all Slavs and Jews from the world? It’s really really hard for me to tell the difference.
There's a not-total-shit argument that boils down to Soviet policy in the Ukraine being unconscionably draconian, in the same way that the Brits starving out Bangladesh or the the Irish during the Potato Famine was functionally "genocide through neglect". But because Everyone I Don't Like Is Hitler, the mythology of the Holodomor expands to fill the degree to which you revile Communists, Slavs, and Foreigners Generally Speaking.
Also, because history ended in 1945, The Holodomor is the hallmark moment of Soviet Russian History. Not the subsequent 60 years of industrialization, technological advancement, material surplus, and cultural spread.