then it’s entirely possible a left-wing candidate could be elected president if they were able to win the democratic primary
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"If they could win the democratic primary" is a biiiiiiiig if. Who even is a viable candidate? I thought we learned our lesson last time that entryism is a dead end strategy at the presidential level.
Iowa getting delisted is no joke. The national apparatus lost the ability to rig the caucus, so they had to move onto a southern state that shouldn't even have a say in federal elections because they'd still be on probation for the civil war.
I don't understand why the primary isn't just ordered by the last 5 closest states with some weight towards EV. Put whatever the tipping point state was, first, and then go in order. So (without looking) I'd be something like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, Wisconsin in some semblance of that order. Who gives a fuck what South Carolina thinks. They haven't voted for a Dem in 80 years.
whoever the democratic candidate is, they will get full support from liberals regardless of their politics
If it's a liberal candidate, which Bernie could qualify as. If it was Kshama Sawant or a real leftist....well liberals don't have a good record choosing between socialism and fascism. Again I have no idea who this theoretical leftist Democratic candidate could be. I think even a Bernie candidacy would be enough of an excuse for Democrats to rebel, if not voting for Trump then voting for a centrist spoiler. Didn't Bloomberg threaten to run a spoiler campaign if Bernie won the primary?
I agree with your general sentiment that someone to the left of Biden could win against Trump, but the checks of bourgeoisie democracy prevent any sort of true change to happen with a presidential election.
If somebody challenges Biden from the left, and gains viability, I think you see the media pivot towards Trump.
All the reasons why Trump lost in 2020 are no longer a differentiator. Covid is "over", Biden has failed on inflation. It's the economy stupid. I don't think anybody actually cares about the war in Ukraine, but Trump can run as the anti-war candidate and just dunk on the neo-cons firmly located in the dem party now.
I think the dems would rather see Trump win than a leftist dem. They'd throw the whole contest and Neera Tanden would go I told you so while Chelsea Clinton holds a 1 3/4 fire hose that has so little pressure it folds.
After watching what happened to Bernie I do not think it is not possible for any candidate to win the democratic primary that the leadership does not want to win.
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"If they could win the democratic primary" is a biiiiiiiig if. Who even is a viable candidate? I thought we learned our lesson last time that entryism is a dead end strategy at the presidential level.
The Dems already pre-rigged the 2024 primary by moving South Carolina to front of the calendar rather than somewhere like Nevada.
Iowa getting delisted is no joke. The national apparatus lost the ability to rig the caucus, so they had to move onto a southern state that shouldn't even have a say in federal elections because they'd still be on probation for the civil war.
I don't understand why the primary isn't just ordered by the last 5 closest states with some weight towards EV. Put whatever the tipping point state was, first, and then go in order. So (without looking) I'd be something like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, Wisconsin in some semblance of that order. Who gives a fuck what South Carolina thinks. They haven't voted for a Dem in 80 years.
Or just all vote on the same day like the general and every other country?
Two issues:
Iowa is too white
With how handily Bernie won Nevada I'm surprised they're even allowed in the primary anymore.
lol I had missed this. riiiiiiiiiiiiiigged
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/02/04/democrats-2024-presidential-primary-calendar/11180347002/
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If it's a liberal candidate, which Bernie could qualify as. If it was Kshama Sawant or a real leftist....well liberals don't have a good record choosing between socialism and fascism. Again I have no idea who this theoretical leftist Democratic candidate could be. I think even a Bernie candidacy would be enough of an excuse for Democrats to rebel, if not voting for Trump then voting for a centrist spoiler. Didn't Bloomberg threaten to run a spoiler campaign if Bernie won the primary?
I agree with your general sentiment that someone to the left of Biden could win against Trump, but the checks of bourgeoisie democracy prevent any sort of true change to happen with a presidential election.
If somebody challenges Biden from the left, and gains viability, I think you see the media pivot towards Trump.
All the reasons why Trump lost in 2020 are no longer a differentiator. Covid is "over", Biden has failed on inflation. It's the economy stupid. I don't think anybody actually cares about the war in Ukraine, but Trump can run as the anti-war candidate and just dunk on the neo-cons firmly located in the dem party now.
I think the dems would rather see Trump win than a leftist dem. They'd throw the whole contest and Neera Tanden would go I told you so while Chelsea Clinton holds a 1 3/4 fire hose that has so little pressure it folds.
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we ran this experiment with Bernie, the dems wouldn't even go as far as to let him have the nom and then sabotage him against Trump
we all should now know how much work this clause is doing
They outright said they'll discard the primary results if they don't like them. "Democracy"
After watching what happened to Bernie I do not think it is not possible for any candidate to win the democratic primary that the leadership does not want to win.
LOL Bernie got cheated out of the nomination twice and they'll screw him again.