It is a massive waste of my time talking to you about this. Your mind is made up and you are wholly bought into the idea that lgbt people have been going around slinging death threats and slurs at streamers over a videogame.
I'll try to explain my point of view here.
The idea of "Our side was only doing normal, sensible things, everything bad was done by the enemy side" really rubs me the wrong way and I treat anything reminding me of this with extreme skepticism. It's the exact mindset that leads libs to believe Russia blew up the Nordstream pipeline.
I fully believe that 4chan was participating in the harassment, but to blame them for everything bad that happened just cannot be right. There was way too much drama on the left about the whole thing for it to have just been fash larping as LGBT people.
There is indeed no point arguing, I have no way of knowing how much of the harassment was larping 4channers and how much of it was overzealous twitter activists. Maybe it was 50% 4chan, maybe 90%, I have no idea.
But don't call me a fucking fed because I criticize our own side. I don't value loyalty over reality.
I fully believe that 4chan was participating in the harassment, but to blame them for everything bad that happened just cannot be right. There was way too much drama on the left about the whole thing for it to have just been fash larping as LGBT people.
Show me real harassment from actual confirmable lgbt people then. It should be easy.
I have been modding GCJ throughout this whole thing. Banning thousands of fuckwits. And dealing with every single piece of information about this. I have not been able to confirm a single one. I've seen literally nothing that can be confirmed from the lgbt side. I have however seen a now gone pol thread that brigaded GCJ and silvervale as well as mentioning to use livestreamfails to amplify. A number of fash subreddits that brigaded us had discussion about manipulating things too.
This event is currently the center of the culture war for the fash and they view the vtuber audiences as another potential gamergate waiting to happen.
Looking at this, maybe I underestimated the right-wing influence in the whole thing.
I can't provide counter-examples. If you have more information about this event being the center of the culture war, I'd be very interested in reading more. Perhaps I did indeed get tricked because of my personal emotional attachment to the v-tuber scene.
Edit: i will have you know that typing this out was very painful
I mean, it's been the center of the culture war because it's harry potter and it hasn't received a game in decades and the fash see trans people as the primary tool of generating reaction right now.
I'm glad you can see through it. Like, really think about it. You're a hexbear so you KNOW that we are pretty cool and ok with bullying libs, but ask yourself if anyone here has advocated bullying streamers over this. This site is the MOST likely to advocate for actual harassment. But it's just not beneficial, it has only negatives, and there's really no need to bully people when "this is very disappointing" is perfectly adequate.
The average lgbt person isn't doing any harassment, and even the radicals like us are not doing any harassment. So who the fuck is?
Nobody. It's the fascists.
This whole thing started with calling mild criticism "harassment" to begin with. Girlfriend Reviews was not harassed but it was presented as such and claimed she was brought to tears, no such thing happened whatsoever, and that was the starting point from which the fascist then went on to do real harassment in the knock-on false flags.
I think it's also notable that this "harassment" only occurs to women. Where are the male streamers getting harassed? If lgbt people were doing this the target wouldn't be gendered. The fash can not help telling on themselves by only doing this to women.
I'll try to explain my point of view here.
The idea of "Our side was only doing normal, sensible things, everything bad was done by the enemy side" really rubs me the wrong way and I treat anything reminding me of this with extreme skepticism. It's the exact mindset that leads libs to believe Russia blew up the Nordstream pipeline.
I fully believe that 4chan was participating in the harassment, but to blame them for everything bad that happened just cannot be right. There was way too much drama on the left about the whole thing for it to have just been fash larping as LGBT people.
There is indeed no point arguing, I have no way of knowing how much of the harassment was larping 4channers and how much of it was overzealous twitter activists. Maybe it was 50% 4chan, maybe 90%, I have no idea.
But don't call me a fucking fed because I criticize our own side. I don't value loyalty over reality.
Show me real harassment from actual confirmable lgbt people then. It should be easy.
I have been modding GCJ throughout this whole thing. Banning thousands of fuckwits. And dealing with every single piece of information about this. I have not been able to confirm a single one. I've seen literally nothing that can be confirmed from the lgbt side. I have however seen a now gone pol thread that brigaded GCJ and silvervale as well as mentioning to use livestreamfails to amplify. A number of fash subreddits that brigaded us had discussion about manipulating things too.
Hm.
Looking at this, maybe I underestimated the right-wing influence in the whole thing.
I can't provide counter-examples. If you have more information about this event being the center of the culture war, I'd be very interested in reading more. Perhaps I did indeed get tricked because of my personal emotional attachment to the v-tuber scene.
Edit: i will have you know that typing this out was very painful
I mean, it's been the center of the culture war because it's harry potter and it hasn't received a game in decades and the fash see trans people as the primary tool of generating reaction right now.
I'm glad you can see through it. Like, really think about it. You're a hexbear so you KNOW that we are pretty cool and ok with bullying libs, but ask yourself if anyone here has advocated bullying streamers over this. This site is the MOST likely to advocate for actual harassment. But it's just not beneficial, it has only negatives, and there's really no need to bully people when "this is very disappointing" is perfectly adequate.
The average lgbt person isn't doing any harassment, and even the radicals like us are not doing any harassment. So who the fuck is?
Nobody. It's the fascists.
This whole thing started with calling mild criticism "harassment" to begin with. Girlfriend Reviews was not harassed but it was presented as such and claimed she was brought to tears, no such thing happened whatsoever, and that was the starting point from which the fascist then went on to do real harassment in the knock-on false flags.
I think it's also notable that this "harassment" only occurs to women. Where are the male streamers getting harassed? If lgbt people were doing this the target wouldn't be gendered. The fash can not help telling on themselves by only doing this to women.