Some horrible tragedy is in the news, and in the comments someone's aunt goes
How terrible! I pray the victims' souls find peace in Heaven 🙏
Suddenly, atheist guy
You DELUDED FOOL, souls do not exist and there is no God or the afterlife. Try using more logic
I can't fully articulate how I feel when I see it happening (I am really bad at explaining my thoughts), but when I see someone doing "le epic atheist dunking on the deluded sky fairy believer" routine when all the religious person is doing is expressing sadness in a comment section, I would rather the atheist would just shut up and maybe use the energy to do something productive.
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I see plenty of non-religious people shape their lives around equally absurd ideologies. When I see a comment saying "my prayers are with you" it just registers to me as someone offering solidarity or condolences. Two things which, when expressed over the internet, are equally as useless. Railing against it just creates conflict where there was none before and I hate to see it.
The main posts "thoughts and prayers" example is petty cringe online discourse from dorks that has zero material influence on the world. The commenter above is showing what 90% of religious people believe and its objectively insane unless you're extending the most innocent interpretations to deluded adults beliefs/motivations who would probably have you skinned alive if they knew you were a socialist.
They're not necessarily even all that religious, we just happen to live in a culture that's heavily influenced by a certain monotheistic religion
It's just not productive. I'm certainly an atheist, but just yelling at people online does basically nothing to either change anyone's mind or advance any kind of useful cause. There was some argument to be made in favor of this kind of behavior 20 years ago in virtue of the need to culturally normalize atheism, but outside of things like evangelical communities (which aren't going to be receptive to this kind of thing in any case), I don't think that's particularly necessary anymore. Everyone knows that atheism exists, and is actually fairly common; mainstream popular culture (at least in the US) doesn't really treat it as the kind of shameful, freakish secret that mandates complete social ostracism anymore, and "no religion" is one of the fastest growing demographic groups. Unless religious people are being belligerent themselves--in which case they absolutely deserve pushback--I don't think there's much to be gained by this kind of public performance of atheism.
All the New Atheist authors (Dawkins, Hitchens, etc.) were pretty obnoxious and most were pretty intellectually bankrupt--of all of them, only Dan Dennett is even remotely qualified to expound on philosophy of religion and social ontology--but they did at least succeed in mainstreaming the idea that it's possible to be a decent person without being religious, which was pretty much totally anathema to popular culture in the US during the 20th century. There are certainly still senses in which religious ideology is harmful, but that harm is usually parasitic on the politics of the religion rather than the metaphysics per se. If you think that trans people are subhuman or whatever, I don't really care if you're being motivated by theology or something else: you're still a fucking scumbag. It's the practical, material, political impacts that need constant tireless pushback in public, not the metaphysical ideology.
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Yup. You can absolutely draw a direct line from the emergence of New Atheism/"Rationality" as an online social movement in the early 2000s, and contemporary neo-reactionary politics (including the alt-right). There's a particularly close ideological link between the Hitchens/Harris crowd and the kind of "anti-feminism" that fueled Gamergate and the rise of Trumpism, as you say. Not everyone who was involved in that stuff gleefully slid down the slope into fascism, but those who weren't amenable to that kind of thing had largely abandoned the "movement" by 2012 or so. This is a pretty underappreciated piece of recent cultural history that lots of people who weren't Extremely Online (and moving in the right circles) in the early 2000s-2010s frequently forget about.
Again, I'd except Dennett from the atheist-to-fash thought leader pipeline. His interest was significantly more academic/professional than that of the rest of them, and Breaking The Spell is a respectable piece of philosophy rather than a polemic (though I think it gets a lot of stuff wrong). It's no coincidence that he stopped appearing with the rest of the crew pretty early on.
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Definitely agree that alt-right is no longer very alt, in the same way that neo-conservative is no longer very neo.
The alt-right pretty much came to a halt when Milo was cancelled. People still called fascists alt-right, but the actual movement has been dead as a doornail since 2017.
Some people flip flopped hard on atheism, others are part of a second wave drawing from the misogyny generated but going in a different direction
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I got you fam!
https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-12-new-atheist-celebrities-crusaders-for-empire
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Because it’s a meme. If bullying works the world would be communist right now. But it’s not, so it’s pretty obvious that it doesn’t work outside of your niche list of twitter followers who make 50 tweet thread arguments
Go on the bus and scream at some lady about how she’s contributing to genocide for supporting the democrats or something and report back to us
It depends on what the behavior you’re bullying people about is, and the portion of people bullying them. When all of Twitter dunks on someone for a stupid take, they’ll likely apologize and hopefully internalize why. When one dickhead is telling you one of your core beliefs about the nature of the universe isn't real, it doesn’t help much.
What I’m saying is we need to make Christianity so socially unacceptable and stupid that spouting it’s beliefs gets you mocked by every single person around you.
I think a lot of internet atheists (or "skeptics" as they used to be called) just really, really enjoy being assholes to people without getting punched in the face for it.