(CW: Racism, maybe Transphobia)

This feels like a stupid thing to make an account for, and there are far better things to discuss besides, but here I am.

In a time where Disney films are almost entirely souless cash grabs at childhood nostalgia and are often poorly received enough that it makes you wonder why they keep doing it, DreamWorks is turning out an almost consistently decent body of work, some might even say great in a few instances. The latter's films are certainly more well received than the former's, both by audiences and by critics. However, one cannot help but note that while Disney is kinda, sorta, maybe giving a platform to people of LGBTQ+, native, black, asian and admittedly lib minded (you take what you can get) communities, DreamWorks hasn't really been pulling its weight in that regard, at least not at a cursory glance.

While Disney (and more than a few other "supportive" corporations) has been more than happy to beat us over the head with how pogressive they are, and how ,"Oh, look its our tenth first non-heteronormative/gay/trans character, watch as he/she/they openly flirt(s) with a person fitting their orientation for all of 2 min and then we forget about that for an hour and a half!", DreamWorks doesn't really do that. Disney is clearly doing it more for money than any real, meaningful reason or cause, and often at the detriment of their television series, like The Owl House, which in my admittedly uninformed opinion, depicts and treats people of different orientations more respectfully than any of Disney's current or past films. But I can't for the life of me recall a character like that in a DreamWorks film, though perhaps I haven't watched enough of them to have seen one. I do know that Kung Fu Panda is very much a body positivity story, or atleast can be viewed that way. Even HTTYD, can be viewed as a "don't discriminate against others for not being like you" type message.

The reason I decided to make this post is because of a few comments I've seen under both Disney and DreamWorks based videos. Honestly, it probably began forming in my mind shortly after Puss 'n Boots: The Last Wish came out. A video suggestion I had gotten titled, I think, "P'nB:TLW- How to Make a Movie that isn't Political". I didn't watch the video. Maybe I should've, maybe it wasnt even what I think it is, but I don't want it messing with my algorithm if it is. The thing that got me about it was how somebody could watch that film and not see what I thought was an obvious message. While Puss's personal journey is front and center, it isn't his battle with Death that ends the film's conflict; Death is just a miniboss before the final fight. The enemy that takes the teamwork of EVERYONE to beat, not just Puss, is Big Jack Horner, a man who is almost an anthropomorphic representation of capatalism and how awful it it is. He treats his employees like expendable fodder, runs a factory in what looks to be downtrodden and poor city, and wants more, more, more despite having damn near everything. It seems obvious.

Then we have the comments that pushed me to write this post. Now, I'm not a fan of Disney's live action remakes (though I did kinda enjoy Aladdin), but the last reason to dislike them should be the race swapping. Theres nothing wrong with it, atleast not that I've seen. It's nice to see a character that little girls who aren't the color of Elmer's glue can relate to. I say that as a white guy, not sure if I need to clarify that; I'm not hating on white kids for their skin color, I'm just saying ,"Yeah, there's a lot of white main characters in media...", you know? But in the comments for the trailer, just, wow.

I'm not going to post that comment here, mainly because it would take forever, but also, just, no. I will say it did make reference to "knives and mudhuts" and leave it at that. The other people in the comments had the gall to joke about their dislike not being racist, despite them being mad about the actor's race and almost nothing else. Meanwhile, DreamWorks has a film called Teenage Kraken coming out, and the comparisons between it and The Little Mermaid have already started to materialize. What's funny is, it's a movie about a young kraken going to school and trying to fit in among mostly none krakens and I think mermaids. So in many ways, it's a film that will certainly resonate more with LGBTQ+ youth than many anti-woke scumbags will ever care to admit, and it will likely still be given the ,"Look, a good movie that's not political; others should learn from this and stop forcing their agendas on kids", treament that "good" films are often given.

So, I have to ask, is DreamWorks too subtle?

TL;DR- while Disney is clearly shit and trying to make a quick buck off of minority communities, it does have an obvious platform for the downtrodden, while DreamWorks, a far better movie maker, does not make it obvious and is often championed by chud-adjacent idiots who don't understand subtlety because of that. Should DreamWorks be less subtle?

  • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]
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    1 year ago

    A video suggestion I had gotten titled, I think, “P’nB:TLW- How to Make a Movie that isn’t Political”

    this probably just means "didn't overtly give screen time or talk positively about LGBT or PoC." Cause when you recognize that other people besides crackers exist, then you've done a politic.

  • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    One of the first instances of chuds getting mad at race swapping a character was Michael B Jordan being cast as the Human Torch in that Fantastic Four movie and he was the only good actor in that turd of a movie

    Personally I'm still kinda mad they didn't go all the way and make the Invisible Woman black too because you know, they're supposed to be twin siblings but instead they added this whole unnecessary subplot about one of them being adopted (can't tell you which one because the movie was that forgettable) which was just dumb

    Plus the Invisible Woman being black would have actually been a pretty decent political statement about how black women are treated by society and Hollywood in particular but they instead cast a blonde white girl because of fucking course they did

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      A long time ago, a black man wrote a book called "Invisible Man." It was about exactly that, how black people are treated (and not treated) by society, and it was an excellent book. :mlk-yes:

    • MaoistLandlord [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Black people don't know how to light themselves on fire and fight aliens. Only the Euro-Aryan brain is capable of such things

  • MaoistLandlord [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Right wingers are just inherently stupid and media illiterate. You can make a movie where you say “I am a fascist who is in the process of making a catchy song that inadvertently makes fun of myself for being scared of everything and everyone and I only find comfort in being antisocial” and they will go “wow that’s literally me”

    I was on a video of a fascist critique on modern movies. One of the comments was about how modern movies try too hard to be decadent or miserable and how he enjoyed some brainless movie because it was depicting “positivity and humanity,” and a reply agreed, citing Parasite as a good movie that fights degenracy lol

    Personally, I don’t really find movies or shows with talking animals or mythical creatures very relatable even if they’re analogs to the problems and conditions I face. So I wouldn’t care if they were subtle or not. I don’t listen to right wingers piss poor media analysis so they can believe what they want really

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    We are not immune to propaganda. No one is. One of the cardinal rules of con artistry is to look for, or convince someone to be, the person that thinks they're too smart to be manipulated.

    That said, it's an unfortunate advantage that chuds have that they often lack the ability, the desire, or sometimes just the will to comprehensively think about what they consume instead of just selectively picking out what they think agrees with them in it. And in many unfortunate cases, that self-serving selective interpretation has lead to chuds getting inspiration, even unintentional marching orders, from media that had no such intentions in the first place.

    I have no easy answers there.

  • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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    1 year ago

    I just finished The last Wish and I'm pretty sure the takeaway is that we're all supposed to get double scythes, hunt down the self-centered assholes, and usher in an Era of robbing the rich with the power of friendship and violence.

  • Esoteir [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Luca is unironically the gayest animated movie I have ever seen from either Disney or DreamWorks, and it doesn't even have an explicit LGBTQ+ character in it

    I deffo think DreamWorks could be less subtle lmao

  • barrbaric [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Subtlety is for cowards and people are too tired to get anything beyond the surface level out of any piece of media. Every movie and TV show should be prefaced by a very boring person explaining the themes of the story to the audience.

  • booty [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    HTTYD

    Hungry Tarantulas Tell Your Dad?

    Hoops To Time Your Dog?

    Sorry, genuinely stuck on this one.

      • booty [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Oh, that's lame. I prefer Help Tom Tame Young Demons. The demons get really stubborn as they get older, you see, and Tom really could use the assistance.

  • innocentlurker [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Big Jack Horner, a man who is almost an anthropomorphic representation of capatalism and how awful it it is

    Wow, I've been watching a few really obtuse reviewers that just don't get this and it was so obvious to me. Horner is just a born psychopath, he represents the non-redeemable of humanity...so many redemption arcs in this story but Horner represents the capitalist that is just what they appear, there is nothing more to this guy...he really is a psychopathic, sadistic narcissist that operates on vulgar appetites as a substitute for feeling and character. The kind of capitalist that people bend over backwards to see some "motivation" for his abject villainy to somehow sympathize with someone that would fire them for being 5 minutes late when their spouse is in the hospital. There is no motivation for capitalism, only appetites!

    Thank you for the validation, I was beginning to get really angry at all these libs reviewing this film.

  • bubbalu [they/them]
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    1 year ago

    This is a good example of subjective vs. objective conditions. As you do a really good job of pointing out, Disney movies have a window dressing or veneer of 'inclusion' while not substantially relating to people's lives—with a lot of characters for people of color literally being 'reskinned' white roles/characters. Whereas Dreamworks makes movies whose actual content relates better to queer and working class folks but do not put on the same window dressing.

    • Esoteir [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Disney is too in-your-face

      :PIGPOOPBALLS:

      the people in charge just love shoving wokism down the right’s throats. It’s called “fan-baiting”

      cool lingo to complain about minority representation in media, where did you get it from, kotakuinaction or stupidpol?

      now please log off and fuck off back to them

      • ivygroup [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        "Fan-baiting" is a form of marketing used with the intent of exciting artificial controversy, garnering publicity, and explaining away the negative reviews of a new and often highly anticipated production. Shows like Star Wars and 2016 Ghostbusters could have been as beloved by fans as Cobra Kai if they had wanted to be. Cobra Kai has a massively diverse cast of empowering characters, and both old-time fans and newcomers to the franchise adore it. Why? It doesn't use fan-baiting.

        • Esoteir [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Yes, very nice copy-paste of a twitter thread

          Funny how you find KotakuInAction and stupidpol when you google the term, it's almost as if internet incels still mad about Ghostbusters having women in it realized they can't use "virtue-signalling" anymore

          Now fuck off and go complain on Reddit about how Disney is "too in-your-face" with the minorities.

          Edit: to showcase how definitely good faith this term is, here's everyone's favorite anti-SJW youtuber reading ivygroup's comment, definitely check out the top comments about how Cobra Kai is one of the good ones :data-laughing: