the scheming koreans and crafty chinese are just abusing us japanese for political clout, we've apologized more than enough. they should just let the past go.
:japan-cool: (this seems to be the most common take ive heard regarding the issue from japanese liberals)
The problem isn't that Japan hasn't apologized. It has apologized at least once to Korea and China and those apologies are a part of public record.
BUT
Everyone involved doubts the sincerity of Japanese apologies because they always turn around and do some shit that makes it look like they don't mean it.
They apologized, but then almost every PM goes to "pay respects" at a shrine where convicted war criminals are interred.
They apologized, but then the Mayor of Fukuoka tells the visiting Mayor of Nanjing that nothing happened in Nanjing during the war.
They apologized but then threaten to "revise" their apology if South Korea doesn't agree to trade policies.
For all the imperfections of German denazification, it's hard to imagine any German Chancellor visiting Himmler and Goerings grave. Or the Mayor of Frankfurt telling the Mayor of Warsaw that the Warsaw Rising was fake news. Or anyone in the German government even thinking of retracting an apology.
In a sense, yes. There's a wikipedia list of various apologies by Japanese officials for imperialist atrocities. However, the list of times that powerful Japanese people have denied the Nanking massacre, worshipped at Yasukuni Shrine etc. would be even longer.
Even SK is not exactly happy about Japanese refusal to acknowledge war crimes. There is a reason for instance episodes of Pokemon that had overt Japanese culture got banned there. Just because the country is a US colony for capital doesnt mean they don't have social hangups and and shit with other capitalists. South Koreans as a public are not monolithic with their government.
My point is that this current ROK government has been particularly treasonous with regard to selling out victims of Japanese slavery due to its recent agreement with Japan to pay Korean victims with Korean money instead of demanding more from Japan.
This is of course extremely unpopular with many South Koreans, but let's be real if Kishida visits S Korea he's going to have an incredibly choreographed visit where the Korean president will bend over backwards for him.
Oh cool, now go visit Korea.....
the scheming koreans and crafty chinese are just abusing us japanese for political clout, we've apologized more than enough. they should just let the past go.
:japan-cool: (this seems to be the most common take ive heard regarding the issue from japanese liberals)
have they apologized even once?
lol, said the LDP. lmao
cant apologize for something you dont even admit doing :think-about-it:
The problem isn't that Japan hasn't apologized. It has apologized at least once to Korea and China and those apologies are a part of public record.
BUT
Everyone involved doubts the sincerity of Japanese apologies because they always turn around and do some shit that makes it look like they don't mean it.
They apologized, but then almost every PM goes to "pay respects" at a shrine where convicted war criminals are interred.
They apologized, but then the Mayor of Fukuoka tells the visiting Mayor of Nanjing that nothing happened in Nanjing during the war.
They apologized but then threaten to "revise" their apology if South Korea doesn't agree to trade policies.
For all the imperfections of German denazification, it's hard to imagine any German Chancellor visiting Himmler and Goerings grave. Or the Mayor of Frankfurt telling the Mayor of Warsaw that the Warsaw Rising was fake news. Or anyone in the German government even thinking of retracting an apology.
In a sense, yes. There's a wikipedia list of various apologies by Japanese officials for imperialist atrocities. However, the list of times that powerful Japanese people have denied the Nanking massacre, worshipped at Yasukuni Shrine etc. would be even longer.
Assuming you mean the Good Korea because Bad Korea just sold out its surviving WWII victims of Japanese forced labor at Bidens behest.
Even SK is not exactly happy about Japanese refusal to acknowledge war crimes. There is a reason for instance episodes of Pokemon that had overt Japanese culture got banned there. Just because the country is a US colony for capital doesnt mean they don't have social hangups and and shit with other capitalists. South Koreans as a public are not monolithic with their government.
My point is that this current ROK government has been particularly treasonous with regard to selling out victims of Japanese slavery due to its recent agreement with Japan to pay Korean victims with Korean money instead of demanding more from Japan.
This is of course extremely unpopular with many South Koreans, but let's be real if Kishida visits S Korea he's going to have an incredibly choreographed visit where the Korean president will bend over backwards for him.
You realize I was being facetious and alluding to the general sentiment of Koreans, not literally the itinerary of an actual state visit right?
I was just riffing on your response to point out how spectacularly shitty President Yoon is being.