• doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Talking to my relatives, many have been terrified that Putin was going to initiate Winter War 2 any second now since last Spring

      • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I saw the massive swing in polling after the invasion.

        • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Naturally- if there was one thing that was going to make Finland and Sweden rush to join NATO it was Russia invading a neighbouring country

          Thanks Putin

          • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            I'm gonna make people on here mad, but Russia made a huge mistake with going into Ukraine (I know the strategic needs). Basically gave NATO a new lease on life, emboldened the most psycho anti Russia people, etc. Probably should gave just gone into the Donbas. Would have caused people to freak, but probably would have died down like in 2014.

            • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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              2 years ago

              100,000%. That’s part of why I didn’t think he would do it, because it’s so insanely counterproductive to his stated goals.

              “I’m afraid of NATO so I’m going to give them proof that actually their fears and reasons for existing were valid all along”

              • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                thought that Russia would collapse as soon as the sanctions came in. Well, they thought wrong.

                Russia and the CIA also thought Ukraine would collapse in weeks. This whole war is a series of people being wrong.

                I do understand why they went in, but man any path with this sucks.

                  • space_comrade [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    They could have just gone into Donbass, not all of Ukraine. Sure the manufacturing consent machine would act more or less the same but I think it wouldn't have had the same effect. They tried to take Kiev the very first day.

                • tagen
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                  1 year ago

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            • space_comrade [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Probably should gave just gone into the Donbas.

              I was like 95% certain this would have happened after Ukraine ramped up the ceasefire violations, wasn't expecting a full on invasion.

              I agree that Russia was way too eager going into this and I'm pretty sure it's been dragging on for a lot longer than they were expecting despite their pokerfaces about how they never said it was supposed to be a short war. Personally I think them attempting to encircle Kiev right away wasn't a feint as they stated later but a genuine attempt they fucked up. If they had succeeded it would have probably ended the thing way sooner.

              I think both sides are gonna want out of this shitshow at some point soon unless somebody significantly shifts the tide in one direction.

            • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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              2 years ago

              "Don't worry about it, we'll be having Chicken Kyiv in Kiev in like two weeks tops" :putin-wink:

              Seems like every time people start a war they vastly overestimate how quick and easy it's going to be

              • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                To be fair, even the CIA thought Ukraine would collapse in weeks. Goes to show how Ukraine improved fighting wise in the years between Crimea and the invasion.

            • RNAi [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              That doesn't enrage anyone here, it's simply the truth.

              • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                Maybe I'm just thinking of the dispatch people