• shimmer [undecided]
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          2 years ago

          oversimplifying complex historical events

          This is what I need though :blob-no-thoughts:

          • theother2020 [comrade/them, she/her]
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            2 years ago

            I relate. Sometimes I find if I get the oversimplification first, then I can get more into the nuance and complexity. The initial framing is like a handle to hold onto,

    • constellation [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      He even sent a French warship to New York harbor to ask the New York Federal Reserve to bring out their gold in 1971.

      I've heard about this several times but never seen the particulars. Anyone have more info? Like the name of the ship? Something so I can pull the threads on this one.

      • Parzivus [any]
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        2 years ago

        It was a military training ship called the Océan

        • constellation [none/use name]
          ·
          2 years ago

          I had heard it was a destroyer.

          Well crap, a generic name like that isn't going to make it any easier to search. Thanks though.

          • Parzivus [any]
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            2 years ago

            I think it was originally, but it was several decades out of date by the 70's. The gold stuff is basically the only thing of note it ever did, so there isn't much info about it.

    • Satanic_Mills [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.

      At least the Germans have the excuse of having been occupied, so much for French militancy.

  • Parzivus [any]
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    2 years ago

    Check out that last paragraph

    As is common in France and many other European countries, the French President’s office, known as the Elysée Palace, insisted on checking and “proofreading” all the president’s quotes to be published in this article as a condition of granting the interview. This violates POLITICO’s editorial standards and policy, but we agreed to the terms in order to speak directly with the French president. POLITICO insisted that it cannot deceive its readers and would not publish anything the president did not say. The quotes in this article were all actually said by the president, but some parts of the interview in which the president spoke even more frankly about Taiwan and Europe’s strategic autonomy were cut out by the Elysée.

    • constellation [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      POLITICO insisted that it cannot deceive its readers and would not publish anything the president did not say.

      Glenn Thrush of Politico was exposed seeking Podesta's approval of articles about Clinton. Even Thrush wrote "please don't tell anyone" and "I'm such a hack". The consequences for Thrush? He was hired by the New York Times after the election.

      https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/36329

      • Shoegazer [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Lol so rather than being forced to censor himself, he went out of his way to ask someone to censor him voluntarily?

        • constellation [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          It's more like, he wanted Hillary to win so badly that he decided to blowtorch his reputation as a journalist in favor of secretly joining her campaign.

          Can you believe that once upon a time, we trusted journalists? Today, the idea is simply laughable. They get caught lying all the time.

          Katie Couric revealed she omitted portions of her 2016 interview with Supreme Court justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The self-described "big RBG fan" said she did it to "protect" her hero from criticism. Couric's boss urged her not to cut Ginsburg's problematic remarks about how black athletes who kneeled during the national anthem were showing "contempt for a government that has made it possible for their parents and grandparents to live a decent life, which they probably could not have lived in the places they came from." Couric thought the comments were "unworthy of a crusader for equality," so she left them out.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        "If the Anglos and Americans so much as send a single ship to Taiwan, I will personally open up a second front for Comrade Xi by invading the UK and nuking New York.

        I will make Ho Chi Mihn look like a fucking peacenik anarchist I swear to God."

    • Comp4 [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I doubt anything will come from it but opposition to the USA should be supported. Even if Macron is pretty bad. There might come others after him that take opposition to US hegemony more serious.

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    :eu-cool: and :france-cool: but critical support for any efforts to separate from the American sphere. Nordstream showed exactly how the American government views Europe - exactly the same as every single one of their other "partners".

    • SerLava [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Yeah, and even though officially it's all denied, the European leaders all know the US blew the fucking thing up and will generally act on it

    • NeelixBiederman [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      :macron: Maybe some low effort America bashing will give me a sound byte and boost my approval ratings

  • Antoine_St_Hexubeary [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    I feel like we already litigated this twenty years ago. See: Donald Rumsfeld's "Old Europe/New Europe". It doesn't seem to have done any lasting damage to the :cringe: European project.

    Incidentally, that fiasco also saw France ending up on the correct side and the Baltics ending up on the incorrect one.