The official cited the little-known and rarely discussed deployment, authorized by Biden, of two brigades with thousands of America’s best army combat units to the region. A brigade of the 82nd Airborne Division has been intensively training and exercising from its base inside Poland within a few miles of the Ukrainian border. It was reinforced late last year by a brigade from the 101st Airborne Division that was deployed in Romania
Oh shit you didn't know that NATO is already on the front line in Ukraine? There's a running joke that it's the international battalion of Ukrainians who are the only ones actively fighting in Ukraine, everybody else is mostly just sitting around or shifting supplies hoping not to be killed.
I had an acquaintance of a friend talk about how he was on the ground actively shooting people in Ukraine in like 2019 (he talked about it in 2021). I'm just like "are you sure that's not classified or something?"
My point is that it likely won't change the outcome, just that the situation will basically become a total occupation of Ukraine by both NATO and Russia. If anything, having actual American battalions on the ground will motivate Russian soldiers more, which is incredibly fucked up, but true.
Right now, Russia and China are the only nuclear powers with functional hyper-sonic missiles, meaning that they can absolutely hit the U.S. if the U.S. decides to hit them through other ICBM tech. The only thing the U S. has going for it is that it has a whole submersible fleet that is likely undetectable. That being said, there have been multiple instances of these subs being hunted down and nearly run aground in the South China Sea, so it's unclear how 'undetectable' they actually are.
These factors act as a restriction on American bloodlust, although the biggest factor is that the wealthy are winning in the U.S. and so are not willing to let the military pull the trigger on nuclear Armageddon.
I don't think America could win but I also don't think that matters right now? The empire in its death throes is picking fights and alienating people all over the place in ways that do not make rational, strategic sense
It makes sense if you think of it as a way to further alienate the American public from the rest of the world. Can't escape hell world if everybody hates you and won't accept you into the country.
Isn't this how every major conflict works? I feel like as far back as Vietnam where you had soviets fighting americans and it didn't trigger nuclear armageddon this sort of things works out on a sort of "I'm not touching you you can't be mad" type thing because, as noted, nobody wants the global nuclear apocalypse
It has lost billions building its wildly ambitious Belt and Road Initiative aimed at linking East Asia to Europe and investing, perhaps foolishly, in seaports around the world. “
there's that imperialism brain again, only able to think in terms of direct profit extraction
Yeah, but OG reddit culture prior to direct U.S. domestic intelligence ops is also an abstraction and derivation from SA and 4chan, which has always been 'anti-normie'. Unless those cultures are also ops. I really think it's one of those dialectical 'chicken-egg' situations.
I mean the internet was originally an ARPA project. Got opened to universities first and then the public later. Though I think the reality is that the same class strata occupies both.
I can see it. It's basically a "what are they doing, this is stupid" statement, which I hear all the time from people telling me about someone they're working with.
yeah. either they really thought they'd yell "Russia will invade" for weeks, and then Russia would just sit back and get destroyed by sanctions* while allowing a massive pogrom against Donbas, or he's lying
*(most of which went into effect on the 22nd in response to recognition of DPR and LPR, not the invasion, and were planned at least six months before that)
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Excuse me, what
Oh shit you didn't know that NATO is already on the front line in Ukraine? There's a running joke that it's the international battalion of Ukrainians who are the only ones actively fighting in Ukraine, everybody else is mostly just sitting around or shifting supplies hoping not to be killed.
a plausibly deniable "international battalion" is one thing, US brigades are quite another thing
I had an acquaintance of a friend talk about how he was on the ground actively shooting people in Ukraine in like 2019 (he talked about it in 2021). I'm just like "are you sure that's not classified or something?"
My point is that it likely won't change the outcome, just that the situation will basically become a total occupation of Ukraine by both NATO and Russia. If anything, having actual American battalions on the ground will motivate Russian soldiers more, which is incredibly fucked up, but true.
the outcome I'm worried about is :nuke: and if the US finds an excuse to explicitly enter the war that becomes a near-certainty
I don't even necessarily think it would be Russia that launches them, there are no meaningful restrictions right now on American bloodlust
Right now, Russia and China are the only nuclear powers with functional hyper-sonic missiles, meaning that they can absolutely hit the U.S. if the U.S. decides to hit them through other ICBM tech. The only thing the U S. has going for it is that it has a whole submersible fleet that is likely undetectable. That being said, there have been multiple instances of these subs being hunted down and nearly run aground in the South China Sea, so it's unclear how 'undetectable' they actually are.
These factors act as a restriction on American bloodlust, although the biggest factor is that the wealthy are winning in the U.S. and so are not willing to let the military pull the trigger on nuclear Armageddon.
I don't think America could win but I also don't think that matters right now? The empire in its death throes is picking fights and alienating people all over the place in ways that do not make rational, strategic sense
It makes sense if you think of it as a way to further alienate the American public from the rest of the world. Can't escape hell world if everybody hates you and won't accept you into the country.
Isn't this how every major conflict works? I feel like as far back as Vietnam where you had soviets fighting americans and it didn't trigger nuclear armageddon this sort of things works out on a sort of "I'm not touching you you can't be mad" type thing because, as noted, nobody wants the global nuclear apocalypse
there's that imperialism brain again, only able to think in terms of direct profit extraction
"I'm isolated and unpopular, making me the victor"
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I've always wondered, is reddit-brain reflective of U.S. foreign policy brain, or has U.S. foreign policy brain just been infected by reddit brain.
Propaganda on Reddit flows from the US state department. Clearly the former then.
Yeah, but OG reddit culture prior to direct U.S. domestic intelligence ops is also an abstraction and derivation from SA and 4chan, which has always been 'anti-normie'. Unless those cultures are also ops. I really think it's one of those dialectical 'chicken-egg' situations.
It's really not.
So you suppose all internet culture derives from DARPA?
I mean the internet was originally an ARPA project. Got opened to universities first and then the public later. Though I think the reality is that the same class strata occupies both.
It's bazinga brains all the way down.
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yeah right sure, find it pretty glaring that this is just nakedly asserted with nothing to back it up
I can see it. It's basically a "what are they doing, this is stupid" statement, which I hear all the time from people telling me about someone they're working with.
I can believe he said it, it's just that thing where there are two realities I guess
Ahh you mean you find it hard to see how that official actually believes this?
yeah. either they really thought they'd yell "Russia will invade" for weeks, and then Russia would just sit back and get destroyed by sanctions* while allowing a massive pogrom against Donbas, or he's lying
*(most of which went into effect on the 22nd in response to recognition of DPR and LPR, not the invasion, and were planned at least six months before that)
The question of our time: "Do they really believe that shit??"
If it's stupid and it works something something
:amber-snacking:
Amber.