There's ethnic Jews that have their identity challenged because they're not religious and they only have tenuous community connections to the larger Jewish world because their ancestors were scattered across the world by antisemitic violence, but somehow this craven Afrikaner bullshit is legitimate. It's a little annoying.
There are other ethnic Jews who have had their identity challenged because despite being Jewish for a thousand unbroken years they happened to be Africans with black skin. It's slightly more than a little annoying.
I truly think that Stalin's attempt to create an alternative Israel in Birobidzhan/the Jewish Autonomous Oblast was a good idea that had the potential to save the lives of several million people. It's really offensive to see liberals treat the idea with such disdain when we know for a fact that not a single Jew in the JAO was killed by nazi violence during ww2. However, I also recognize that locating the JAO in the Russian far east was a compromise. The real Israel should be Ukraine.
Establishing Ukraine Israel would've been a bad idea in the 30s and 40s because it would've accelerated and intensified the holocaust. Apparently that's what liberals want? I don't know what their great alternative to the JAO is? I guess Stalin should've done something that transcended the physical reality he was working in.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that Afrikaner converts should probably be given 3 days of military training and be sent to Ukraine. Now we can be uncompromising and make things right.
:stalin-stressed:: Don't worry libs, the red army will do what it takes to save the world from fascism. My own son has perished in this fight. We must not let antisemitism be used to divide us in our war against bourgeois reaction. I am creating an autonomous Jewish republic where Jewish people can live in peace. I wish there was more I could do. Oh shit! Oh fuck! The nazi army is literally in the suburbs of Moscow. They're doing genocide on an industrial scale!
:maybe-later-kiddo:: Don't save the world like that! I would simply wield my pen like a sword in the marketplace of ideas!
Portion of Ukraine pre-WW2, or a portion of Germany post-WW2. Not sure exactly how either would've gone down (especially if in this hypothetical world the USSR collapses as well) but how history ended up is a tragedy.
The only way to make the world safe for Afrikaners is to give them a homeland in their native Netherlands. It will be a shining beacon of prosperity and democracy in the benighted and backwards European continent. The swamp Germans are not a real people anyways ("Dutch" identity was invented by communists/radical evangelical Christians in the 1960's to justify anti-Afrikaner racism) and they can just move back to Germany.
The funny this is that many Dutch do, and will, think of them as inferior, with the Afrikaners (Boer literally means farmer) being seen as peasant-honky stock, that they don't speak 'proper Dutch', or that Afrikaans is 'kitchen dutch'. And yh even though alot of younger Afrikaners are more liberal now many of them would find the Netherlands still too lib I feel.
A lot, if not the vast majority, of the South Africans moving to Israel are Jews, who had not necessarily previously been Israeli nor perhaps even been to Israel, most South African Jews descended from immigrants during the British colonial period, and as many are aware this was the basis for strong diplomatic links to between South Africa and Israel, obviously underlined by a possibly affinity due to their comparable apartheid projects.
Tbh, despite the impression of this sub which is that of its mostly white internet yanks who haven't been outside the US, most of these white south africans - again, mainly jews - are pretty much the same level of racist and liberal as your average British or USAmerican white lib. The Afrikaners who are marrying Jews and converting and then going to Israel are likely the more liberal ones. An proper rabid old school nationalist Afrikaner would not be marrying a Jew, let alone converting, given that their project was founded by people who sympathized with the European fascist projects (also partly motivated by hatred of the anglos). White Jewish South Africans, like British South Africans, were/are more liberal than their Afrikaner coutnerparts on average.
But yh Afrikaners not seeing the level of fucked-up of recreating their ancestors misdeeds is pretty revolting.
There's ethnic Jews that have their identity challenged because they're not religious and they only have tenuous community connections to the larger Jewish world because their ancestors were scattered across the world by antisemitic violence, but somehow this craven Afrikaner bullshit is legitimate. It's a little annoying.
There are other ethnic Jews who have had their identity challenged because despite being Jewish for a thousand unbroken years they happened to be Africans with black skin. It's slightly more than a little annoying.
ah yeah, the apartheid-enjoyers definitely deserve the right of return to their ancient homeland...
Very hot take here. Handle with care:
I truly think that Stalin's attempt to create an alternative Israel in Birobidzhan/the Jewish Autonomous Oblast was a good idea that had the potential to save the lives of several million people. It's really offensive to see liberals treat the idea with such disdain when we know for a fact that not a single Jew in the JAO was killed by nazi violence during ww2. However, I also recognize that locating the JAO in the Russian far east was a compromise. The real Israel should be Ukraine.
Establishing Ukraine Israel would've been a bad idea in the 30s and 40s because it would've accelerated and intensified the holocaust. Apparently that's what liberals want? I don't know what their great alternative to the JAO is? I guess Stalin should've done something that transcended the physical reality he was working in.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that Afrikaner converts should probably be given 3 days of military training and be sent to Ukraine. Now we can be uncompromising and make things right.
stalin should've used his spoon to build a continent in the ocean for jews. clearly.
:stalin-stressed:: Don't worry libs, the red army will do what it takes to save the world from fascism. My own son has perished in this fight. We must not let antisemitism be used to divide us in our war against bourgeois reaction. I am creating an autonomous Jewish republic where Jewish people can live in peace. I wish there was more I could do. Oh shit! Oh fuck! The nazi army is literally in the suburbs of Moscow. They're doing genocide on an industrial scale!
:maybe-later-kiddo:: Don't save the world like that! I would simply wield my pen like a sword in the marketplace of ideas!
Trail of Tears in America, Israel: Settlers. Colonies.
JAO: Ethnic cleansing! Genocide!
Portion of Ukraine pre-WW2, or a portion of Germany post-WW2. Not sure exactly how either would've gone down (especially if in this hypothetical world the USSR collapses as well) but how history ended up is a tragedy.
Issue is them converting to move to another Apartheid project to maintain their socio-economic priviledge, not the conversion itself.
Sure, but for a long time being a jew but not wanting to participate in that project wasn't seen as a legit way for a jew to be.
The only way to make the world safe for Afrikaners is to give them a homeland in their native Netherlands. It will be a shining beacon of prosperity and democracy in the benighted and backwards European continent. The swamp Germans are not a real people anyways ("Dutch" identity was invented by communists/radical evangelical Christians in the 1960's to justify anti-Afrikaner racism) and they can just move back to Germany.
The funny this is that many Dutch do, and will, think of them as inferior, with the Afrikaners (Boer literally means farmer) being seen as peasant-honky stock, that they don't speak 'proper Dutch', or that Afrikaans is 'kitchen dutch'. And yh even though alot of younger Afrikaners are more liberal now many of them would find the Netherlands still too lib I feel.
A lot, if not the vast majority, of the South Africans moving to Israel are Jews, who had not necessarily previously been Israeli nor perhaps even been to Israel, most South African Jews descended from immigrants during the British colonial period, and as many are aware this was the basis for strong diplomatic links to between South Africa and Israel, obviously underlined by a possibly affinity due to their comparable apartheid projects.
Tbh, despite the impression of this sub which is that of its mostly white internet yanks who haven't been outside the US, most of these white south africans - again, mainly jews - are pretty much the same level of racist and liberal as your average British or USAmerican white lib. The Afrikaners who are marrying Jews and converting and then going to Israel are likely the more liberal ones. An proper rabid old school nationalist Afrikaner would not be marrying a Jew, let alone converting, given that their project was founded by people who sympathized with the European fascist projects (also partly motivated by hatred of the anglos). White Jewish South Africans, like British South Africans, were/are more liberal than their Afrikaner coutnerparts on average.
But yh Afrikaners not seeing the level of fucked-up of recreating their ancestors misdeeds is pretty revolting.