Lysenko is interesting as a demonstration of how ideology - even a good ideology like communism - colors the way a society practices science and interprets scientific findings. This can be bad, as in Lysenkoism, but it can also be good, like how the USSR rightfully decried eugenics as a fascist bourgeois practice and banned it in the 30s, as opposed to the liberal capitalists, whose Malthusianism to this day leads them to
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Normally when people defend Lysenko, they at best cite his work on vernalization, and therefore his early recognition of the scientific validity of epigenetics, but in all honestly his actual theoretical work and the consequences of his views, actions and program has very little strong bearing for the modern science of epigenetics. Despite the fact that at the end of the day he played a direct, personal, important role in holding back the development of the biological sciences in the USSR, for deeply anti-scientific (therefore, by definition and nature, anti-marxist) reasons. He also played a role in having the best biologists of the USSR put to death, while he himself had no deep theoretical knowledge and didn't contribute any.
What is interesting though is that's a great historical exemplar of something I frankly think we are communists and leftists do often, of confusing progressive aspects of our thought (in this case, rejection of eugenics) and a 'vulgar', and ultimately regressive aspect (in this case, rejection of genetics on the classic mistaken idea that empirically supported science must be incorrect if we can vaguely interpret or connote it as regressive).In this case of the USSR, it also reflects a deep institutional malfunction at the level of the relationship between the state-party parallel structure and institutions such as those of scientific research and development.
The whole history of biology is fascinating actually in terms of political biography because so many of its most imporant pioneers were either fuckinf rad commie materialists or rather social darwinist eugenicists.
Eugenics is an ideology to its core as it is a moral stance on what is humanity and which humans have rights. The proven nature of the genetics of down syndrome for example makes no statement on whether people with the condition have a right to exist and procreate it is ideology that puts the eugenicist on their evil interpretation of this fact
When has that ever happened on Hexbear? Lol. Maybe that brief period of time when Haz had an account here? His group are the only Lysenko stans I see anywhere.
I have a feeling this was quite a while back when the mecha-tankies or magacommunists or whatever the fuck they're calling themselves now had an interest in us. Haz and his cronies all got permabanned here.
Yh obviously correct and I mean while we're at it people actually implying that it's good that so many of the Old Bolsheviks who made the revolution were executed genuinely chills me in how perverse it is.
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Also people inironically or even uncritically defending Lysenko like goddamn what a weird flex but ok
Lysenko is interesting as a demonstration of how ideology - even a good ideology like communism - colors the way a society practices science and interprets scientific findings. This can be bad, as in Lysenkoism, but it can also be good, like how the USSR rightfully decried eugenics as a fascist bourgeois practice and banned it in the 30s, as opposed to the liberal capitalists, whose Malthusianism to this day leads them to
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forcibly sterilize people for failing the paper bag test
Normally when people defend Lysenko, they at best cite his work on vernalization, and therefore his early recognition of the scientific validity of epigenetics, but in all honestly his actual theoretical work and the consequences of his views, actions and program has very little strong bearing for the modern science of epigenetics. Despite the fact that at the end of the day he played a direct, personal, important role in holding back the development of the biological sciences in the USSR, for deeply anti-scientific (therefore, by definition and nature, anti-marxist) reasons. He also played a role in having the best biologists of the USSR put to death, while he himself had no deep theoretical knowledge and didn't contribute any.
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Okay sure. Fair and true enough.
What is interesting though is that's a great historical exemplar of something I frankly think we are communists and leftists do often, of confusing progressive aspects of our thought (in this case, rejection of eugenics) and a 'vulgar', and ultimately regressive aspect (in this case, rejection of genetics on the classic mistaken idea that empirically supported science must be incorrect if we can vaguely interpret or connote it as regressive).In this case of the USSR, it also reflects a deep institutional malfunction at the level of the relationship between the state-party parallel structure and institutions such as those of scientific research and development.
The whole history of biology is fascinating actually in terms of political biography because so many of its most imporant pioneers were either fuckinf rad commie materialists or rather social darwinist eugenicists.
Eugenics is an ideology to its core as it is a moral stance on what is humanity and which humans have rights. The proven nature of the genetics of down syndrome for example makes no statement on whether people with the condition have a right to exist and procreate it is ideology that puts the eugenicist on their evil interpretation of this fact
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some people really out here cosplaying ruthless revolutionary georgian daddies from the 30s on the internet lmao
Can't defend Berryah or Lishrinko if I don't know who those people are :that-one-emoji-with-the-black-man-tapping-his-temple:
When has that ever happened on Hexbear? Lol. Maybe that brief period of time when Haz had an account here? His group are the only Lysenko stans I see anywhere.
Tbh I recall one or two posts in particular where there were several people going a bit hard in the paint to rehabilitate the dude
I have a feeling this was quite a while back when the mecha-tankies or magacommunists or whatever the fuck they're calling themselves now had an interest in us. Haz and his cronies all got permabanned here.
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I want to seeeeeeeeeeee. Should still be around we only archive after 1 month.
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What lmao
Yh obviously correct and I mean while we're at it people actually implying that it's good that so many of the Old Bolsheviks who made the revolution were executed genuinely chills me in how perverse it is.