Here in (country) everyone on the left hates surrogacy with a burning passion, since it involves rich people essentially buying babies and using the bodies of poor women for their own benefit. Even the right wing parties feel sliiightly uncomfortable discussing said topics (with the exception of the extremely liberal ones who also love to act all european and modern).
Even sitcoms such as Friends or Always Sunny in Philadelphia had plotlines where this happened and they didn't pointed out how some rich fuck was taking advantage of a poor person. (Well, it was a sitcom so the poor person was either an asshole or doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, but you get the picture: whitewashing surrogacy is also bad).
So yeah, what's the deal with that? No one points out how fucked up it is???
I don't really understand the issue. What are the actual negative consequences of allowing it?
I think the main worry is that the market forces at play will drive wealthy women to forgo pregnancy for themselves and poor women to take it up as an income source, which will mean that all of the medical and social issues that can come with having a child will become stratified by class and become yet another form of systemic oppression to add to the pile and make things worse than they are.
Basically, yeah.
Liberals usually use the excuse of "think of the poor qgays not being able to continue their bloodlineee" (obviously said in more whitewashed terms) but that's bullshit. Rich women are already using surrogacy and have been doing it for a while.
Is that common?
Buying babies is wrong. Also exploiting poor women.
Doesn't really answer my question. A woman working at McDonald's is being exploited, that doesn't mean that it should be illegal for women to work at McDonald's - ofc ideally wage labor and exploitation should be abolished, but that should be addressed holistically, not by pointing at random things and banning them. Is there evidence that women who engage in surrogacy have a high regret rate?
I don't really agree with the framing that surrogacy is the same as "buying a baby" and I'd rather base my beliefs on actual evidence and material analysis, which is why I asked about negative consequences and not like, whether you think it's bad vibes.
It literally is buying a baby.
Sure, it doesn't have negative consequences, which is why only desperate, poor women are forced into it. Or how the surrogate companies have lots of fucked up conditions in their contract. Or how they pay extremely little. Or how it leaves the women with life-long consequences...
You can repeat that over and over at me but if it didn't convince me the first time I'm not sure why you think stating it a third time would. I don't agree with that framing, and I'm reserving judgement on the issue until I can look at actual evidence, which I'm guessing you're not interested in providing, in which case I just don't really care.
Quick Google search turned up this.
Do you have a better source, or is this all just knee-jerk?
Oh cool. So they don't experience depression 10 years after being exploited. Good to know.
It's hilarious how low your standards are. Let's flip this: why the hell should buying a baby (and yes, i don't care about your feelings, it literally is what's happening. I can say "buying a womb if you prefer) be legal??
If you actually looked at that study - which at this point it seems clear that you have zero interest in actual evidence - it also surveyed them after one year and found similar results.
I don't really care how you want to frame it, because I don't base my beliefs on framing, I base them on evidence and material analysis. But since you seem entirely disinterested in that and are operating purely on vibes and framing, I'll play your game: why do you think it's ok for the state to legislate what women can and can't do with our bodies?
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