• Antoine_St_Hexubeary [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        “we hate our country”

        It's more like "the country that currently exists here and the country we're trying to build here have so little in common that using symbols of the former to represent the latter would be peculiar." Although, optics-wise, I have no idea whether that's actually better.

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            Not that you can’t discuss changing these symbols and stuff, but foaming at the mouth at them this hard every single time when nobody else does that, especially not working people who’ve got more to worry about, is just weird.

            This shit shows you fundamentally do not understand the UK. If the English flag is seen outside of sporting events it is assumed by pretty much everyone that that person is a racist gammon. It is synonymous with racism, the EDL and white supremacy. The majority of the UK finds flag shagging somewhat embarrassing at the best of times, let alone when it's specifically chosen flag shagging as a means of white virtue signalling.

            The people that claim "English heritage" are white people that do not see anyone other than white anglos as English.

            Are you from the UK? Or is this an american perspective? Because that would make sense given how fucking normalised flag shagging is over there. It's deeply embarrassing shit and a very large number of people elsewhere in the world cringe when they see people doing it.

              • Awoo [she/her]
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                1 year ago

                You should ask yourself who the people waving this flag define as "English".

                  • Awoo [she/her]
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                    1 year ago

                    Fuck off patsoc. Go somewhere else and defend american communists waving the american flag, it's the same fucking thing. Seriously do not want to receive another message from you. Period.

                      • Awoo [she/her]
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                        1 year ago

                        Believe you pay infinite times more attention to those people than I do.

                        You are those people

                          • Awoo [she/her]
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                            1 year ago

                            :england-cool: :england-cool: :england-cool: :england-cool: :england-cool:

                              • Awoo [she/her]
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                                1 year ago

                                What people do you think waving the English flag is "getting on their side" ? And what people do you think it is alienating to? Given its usage outside of sports is regarded as racism.

                                I'll ask you again. Who do you think the people waving this flag define as "English" ?

                                  • Awoo [she/her]
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                                    1 year ago

                                    but you can’t do it by calling the people who use them racist when they only use them because it represents their country and they’re not even thinking of the bad things it might symbolize

                                    I don't think you quite understand how thoroughly the English flag is used to represent "England for the English" type of rhetoric. Outside of the sports context (the only justified use of it today) the people waving the English flag rather than the union jack are doing so to intentionally make a statement about being white, it is utilised in all cases as a dogwhistle for anglo-white English racism.

                                    This is why "Who do you define as English?" is such an important question here. I guarantee you that someone with afro-caribbean ethnicity (quite common in the UK) or indian or pakistan ethnicity, but born in England, is not considered "real English" to the people who fly this flag. I stress the outside of sports part here.

            • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              In london sure in the countryside the english flag is just a fairly common symbol that doesn't mean much

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      The issue isn't the day itself.

            • Awoo [she/her]
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              1 year ago

              I am in several orgs. Lick my taint. You're the one that COMPLETELY MISREAD the above comment.

                    • WittyProfileName2 [she/her]
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                      1 year ago

                      And how is shagging the English flag not alienating to say, Scottish comrades who only this year saw parliament clamp down on Scottish sovereignty?

                        • WittyProfileName2 [she/her]
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                          1 year ago

                          The Youth Communist League has made zero comment about Parliament stepping in front of Scottish Parliament rulings. I know very little about them (other than what I can gather from scrolling through their official social media) so on the ground activists may be a different issue, but I can imagine that it might be alienating to have this group that's going on about the importance of English patriotism after not saying shit about Parliament obstructing devolved powers.

                      • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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                        1 year ago

                        well if their issue is with the union between scotland and england so I would assume that they would find the british flag more offensive as that is the flag specifically symbolising that