• usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    The English revolution was a very complicated time and explaining it as a conflict between just the bourgeoise is as reductive as it is to do so with the French revolution

    The theocratic coup you described was also the introduction of the political notion of fundamental human dignity regardless of position in the class heirarchy into English public life. The anarchist movement has it's origins in the puritan theology of the time. These were complicated historical events with a great deal of nuance and far reaching effects. Including the lifting of the ban on Jewish people living in England and the introduction of the right to not have the police cut body parts off of you.

    Wat Tylers revolution with it's notion that if man is decended only from Adam and Eve then there is no natural distinction between lord and peasant could also and is attirbuted with contributing to the philosophical rejections of the aristocracy the bourgeoise used in their rebellion

    • WittyProfileName2 [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      The theocratic coup you described was also the introduction of the political notion of fundamental human dignity regardless of position in the class hierarchy into English public

      Hard disagree here considering the suppression of the levellers and diggers, and the confiscation of land from Catholics carried out by the Puritans.

      the introduction of the right to not have the police cut body parts off of you.

      Except if you're Scottish or Irish.

      • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        the levelers were literally one of the factions in the parlimentarian army and were themselves puritans.

        Also it is worth noting that the wars with Ireland and Scotland that followed were in no way breaks from the continual level of violence on those fronts before or after and that those wars were results of the Irish and Scots attempting to restore the Stuarts to power in England. The very same Charles the 2nd who went on to grant a charter to the transatlantic slave trade

        • WittyProfileName2 [she/her]
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          1 year ago

          They fought with the parliamentarians yes, but then under Cromwell their demands were ignored and those that continued to aggravate for them were either imprisoned or executed.

          • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            And napoleon brought back slavery and declared himself emperor yet people still glorify the french revolution. It all came to nothing and we had the Stuarts back soon enough continuing their bloodyminded repression but it was also one of the few times in English history where the human dignity of the everyday person came even slightly into the forefront of political sphere as a legitimate and worthwhile thing

              • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                yeah they both were but there were other social factors going on in both revolutions as well as the conflict between aristocrat and bourgeoise

              • Dolores [love/loves]
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                1 year ago

                that is not a gotcha, marx considered the bourgeois revolutions a necessary and progressive step in historical development