Right, so here's the image in question. I'm sorry, but is this really that sexualized? Their body proportions seem pretty normal to me, they're dressed in totally normal clothes, and the artist is a Brazilian woman who seems to have leftist views. Obviously it's a good idea not to have creepy shit on the site, but you don't want to go too far the other way and wind up as a "leftist" version of a hectoring conservative screaming that women should cover themselves up.
They just look cute to me? Idk maybe I'm super naive and missing some context. I also didn't see the original thread or the comments, just looking at the photo
I suppose it's my bad for not clarifying. I meant more that the people on the site oversexualize them. Although, they are all suffering from anime girl-itis with the weird blush thing going on which is a bit of a hallmark in anime lewdness.
I hesitate to go into detail but I would not say that the average person attains bodies like the ones in the drawing. Yeah, it's illustrated so there's obviously stylistic elements, but the breast to waistline ratio is definitely weighted in the direction of 'more breast, less waist', which tends to be the case in unrealistic representations of women.
I saw the picture but I didn't look too closely at the comments, so maybe there were creepy ones that I missed. And these women are drawn to be more attractive than average, sure, but not insanely so, especially in the context of anime-style art. I see women that basically look like this every day on the street. I mean, this is so mild as far as sexualization goes. This is maybe 10% as sexualized as, like, an underwear ad you'd see on the subway.
I definitely don't want this site to have a bunch of posts and comments that are like "I'm HORNY, and here's the HOT HENTAI that I'm JACKING OFF TO!!!" But at the same time, I don't want it to be so policed that it feels like we're in the school where the principal got fired for showing teenagers Michelangelo's David because the parents thought it was pornographic.
That's sex flush, the reddening of the face and chest that happens when a woman is sexually aroused. The lighter the skin tone, the more noticeable it is. It's part of the sexual response cycle. It occurs together with the hardening of nipples, increased flow of blood to the genitals, and the vagina lubricating itself. Some of these artists, being total nerds, intensely studied biology and discovered this (it sure as hell wasn't by personal experience!) and it became a cliche. Now half the artists just draw it and don't even know what it means, just that girls are supposed to be blushing all the time. I bet a significant portion of the audience thinks it's from embarrassment. But yeah, it means the girl in the drawing is experiencing sexual arousal, probably because the viewer is looking at her and he's turning her on. (echhhhhh) :soviet-bottom:
That may be the case for much of anime in general, but there's nothing in this particular image, just taken on its own, to say it's the sex flush. It certainly doesn't require the artist to have an understanding of physiology, even if their style is influenced by the entirety of anime in general (and how could it not be?). First of all, the only part of these women's skin that's really visible and would also flush is their face, same as a blush, and like you mentioned, the sex flush tends to include the chest but also other parts of the body, even the hands and soles of the feet. You can't differentiate a flush and a regular blush from just the face. In fact, you can't even really differentiate unless you have seen the same person in both circumstances because different people flush and blush in different ways. The sex flush tends to be more extensive sure, but plenty of people blush on their whole face and some people flush just a little bit on their cheeks. But all of that is immaterial because they are also clearly wearing makeup like eyeliner so there's no reason not to think they're wearing, you know... blush as well. Also, the sex flush doesn't just occur in women by the way, it's just a bit more likely than it is in men.
I don't want this comment to be taken as a "well ackshually" kind of thing, but I'm making it because some people in these threads have been cherry picking things that might seem sexually suggestive to them and using that as evidence that this image is sexualizing the subjects in it. But all it really is is a drawing of conventionally attractive women. That's it. I am all for having a strict rule against any horny posting, but this ain't that.
Ah, gotcha- so the standard here is that women can dress and look however they want to in real life and policing that in any way is misogynistic, but also that depicting women in art dressing in totally normal clothes should be policed and removed from the site. It's totally okay for women to dress like that in real life, but not okay for an artist, even a female artist, to draw them dressed like that. This makes perfect sense.
Right, so here's the image in question. I'm sorry, but is this really that sexualized? Their body proportions seem pretty normal to me, they're dressed in totally normal clothes, and the artist is a Brazilian woman who seems to have leftist views. Obviously it's a good idea not to have creepy shit on the site, but you don't want to go too far the other way and wind up as a "leftist" version of a hectoring conservative screaming that women should cover themselves up.
They just look cute to me? Idk maybe I'm super naive and missing some context. I also didn't see the original thread or the comments, just looking at the photo
I suppose it's my bad for not clarifying. I meant more that the people on the site oversexualize them. Although, they are all suffering from anime girl-itis with the weird blush thing going on which is a bit of a hallmark in anime lewdness.
I hesitate to go into detail but I would not say that the average person attains bodies like the ones in the drawing. Yeah, it's illustrated so there's obviously stylistic elements, but the breast to waistline ratio is definitely weighted in the direction of 'more breast, less waist', which tends to be the case in unrealistic representations of women.
I saw the picture but I didn't look too closely at the comments, so maybe there were creepy ones that I missed. And these women are drawn to be more attractive than average, sure, but not insanely so, especially in the context of anime-style art. I see women that basically look like this every day on the street. I mean, this is so mild as far as sexualization goes. This is maybe 10% as sexualized as, like, an underwear ad you'd see on the subway.
I definitely don't want this site to have a bunch of posts and comments that are like "I'm HORNY, and here's the HOT HENTAI that I'm JACKING OFF TO!!!" But at the same time, I don't want it to be so policed that it feels like we're in the school where the principal got fired for showing teenagers Michelangelo's David because the parents thought it was pornographic.
That's sex flush, the reddening of the face and chest that happens when a woman is sexually aroused. The lighter the skin tone, the more noticeable it is. It's part of the sexual response cycle. It occurs together with the hardening of nipples, increased flow of blood to the genitals, and the vagina lubricating itself. Some of these artists, being total nerds, intensely studied biology and discovered this (it sure as hell wasn't by personal experience!) and it became a cliche. Now half the artists just draw it and don't even know what it means, just that girls are supposed to be blushing all the time. I bet a significant portion of the audience thinks it's from embarrassment. But yeah, it means the girl in the drawing is experiencing sexual arousal, probably because the viewer is looking at her and he's turning her on. (echhhhhh) :soviet-bottom:
That may be the case for much of anime in general, but there's nothing in this particular image, just taken on its own, to say it's the sex flush. It certainly doesn't require the artist to have an understanding of physiology, even if their style is influenced by the entirety of anime in general (and how could it not be?). First of all, the only part of these women's skin that's really visible and would also flush is their face, same as a blush, and like you mentioned, the sex flush tends to include the chest but also other parts of the body, even the hands and soles of the feet. You can't differentiate a flush and a regular blush from just the face. In fact, you can't even really differentiate unless you have seen the same person in both circumstances because different people flush and blush in different ways. The sex flush tends to be more extensive sure, but plenty of people blush on their whole face and some people flush just a little bit on their cheeks. But all of that is immaterial because they are also clearly wearing makeup like eyeliner so there's no reason not to think they're wearing, you know... blush as well. Also, the sex flush doesn't just occur in women by the way, it's just a bit more likely than it is in men.
I don't want this comment to be taken as a "well ackshually" kind of thing, but I'm making it because some people in these threads have been cherry picking things that might seem sexually suggestive to them and using that as evidence that this image is sexualizing the subjects in it. But all it really is is a drawing of conventionally attractive women. That's it. I am all for having a strict rule against any horny posting, but this ain't that.
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Ah, gotcha- so the standard here is that women can dress and look however they want to in real life and policing that in any way is misogynistic, but also that depicting women in art dressing in totally normal clothes should be policed and removed from the site. It's totally okay for women to dress like that in real life, but not okay for an artist, even a female artist, to draw them dressed like that. This makes perfect sense.
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These aren't fucking "waifus." This isn't a pornographic drawing in any way.
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Well, you seem to know better than me
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