I’m pretty sure we all have accepted (if only subconsciously) that this communities ability to organize/properly guide users to participate in specific causes died with Bernie/the old sub and the last embers were choked out with the mass exodus of old guard posters/organizers during the early days of the site.
At this point we are all here for the memes, the dopamine circle, and for the little bits of community still here.
Then again the old sub bullied a mentally disabled guy who sincere posted about bunny cop off the internet and then did the same “it’s fine to bully if I do it” argument and then later celebrated Kobe’s death more strongly then Bush Sr’s to the point that some prominent POC members left. So we might always have been shit.
That’s frankly jaded talk. There was a sizable amount of people who got into organizing from the old sub. People last i checked who are still doing that long past having abandoned posting here. Be it as simple as canvassing for Bernie leading to other activist stuff to the fact that every leftist org IRL I’ve gone to has had at least 2 people who got active in leftism via the sub. It def had some sort of impact and there was a sense it genuinely could be used to organize for specific causes.
Was it ever gonna be a vanguard? Fuck no the people who thought that were foolish. But it DEF created a level of active real world good this site has not and frankly will not have the same ability to do.
That’s literally part of what I’m saying? We never were going to reach the level of people here the old sub had. And even if we did the amount of organization and donation based activities we are doing has ground to a stop after Bernie dropped out.
I’m pretty sure we all have accepted (if only subconsciously) that this communities ability to organize/properly guide users to participate in specific causes died with Bernie/the old sub and the last embers were choked out with the mass exodus of old guard posters/organizers during the early days of the site.
At this point we are all here for the memes, the dopamine circle, and for the little bits of community still here.
Then again the old sub bullied a mentally disabled guy who sincere posted about bunny cop off the internet and then did the same “it’s fine to bully if I do it” argument and then later celebrated Kobe’s death more strongly then Bush Sr’s to the point that some prominent POC members left. So we might always have been shit.
You're seriously overrating the revolutionary potential of the old sub. It was never not like this.
That’s frankly jaded talk. There was a sizable amount of people who got into organizing from the old sub. People last i checked who are still doing that long past having abandoned posting here. Be it as simple as canvassing for Bernie leading to other activist stuff to the fact that every leftist org IRL I’ve gone to has had at least 2 people who got active in leftism via the sub. It def had some sort of impact and there was a sense it genuinely could be used to organize for specific causes.
Was it ever gonna be a vanguard? Fuck no the people who thought that were foolish. But it DEF created a level of active real world good this site has not and frankly will not have the same ability to do.
The sub had 200k members, we have 15k - mostly re-regs. It's not some cultural degradation, it's just numbers.
That’s literally part of what I’m saying? We never were going to reach the level of people here the old sub had. And even if we did the amount of organization and donation based activities we are doing has ground to a stop after Bernie dropped out.
Alright, my bad, I thought you were saying something fundamentally changed in the culture of the site, which I don't really agree with.
I mean I’d say the culture is inherently different just down to the fact that we lost most (all) of the anarchists in the move.
And people seem less inclined to advertise go fund me’s or call for volunteers for things as before.
wtf