When I was a kid I was taught that the puritans came to North America for religious freedom.
No. It was because everyone was sick of their shit! When they took power in England they outlawed dancing, celebrating Christmas, and launched a genocidal invasion of Ireland. Just total pieces of shit that make John Calvin look like a hippie.
No. It was because everyone was sick of their shit!
I mean, that's sort of two sides to the same coin.
Europe had cycles of liberal Protestantism and conservative Catholicism, wherein the response between the two got more and more severe. By the time of the Puritans, you're dealing with people who had friends and family tortured to death for saying "Maybe the Pope isn't infallible". The only folks who stick by their guns on that are necessarily going to be crazy. And the folks who are die-hard Catholic zealots are also crazy.
It's a bit like QAnon and BlueAnon folks being the result of this escalation of tension between mass media organizations.
True, both sides were doing real psycho shit. The queen of England during that period isn't called "Bloody Mary" for no reason.
I also dated a Portuguese woman whose ancestors converted from Judaism to Catholicism because they didn't want to get expelled/tortured/murdered by the inquisition.
Edit: point I'm trying to make is I'm not letting the catholics off the hook, either.
well they were fleeing the consequences for regicide. Also they only went crazy once they got to America back in England they were some of the first in centuries to propose common ownership of the means of production
I'm a little biased as I'm from a part of the UK that faced really violent reprisals for it's historical puritanism. But I would recommend reading the world turned upside down by Christopher Hill
if you don't want to read a book this video does a pretty good examination of them, they were definitely weird but they also are largely responsible for a lot of left wing political ideas. Back in England some of them were essentially proto-anarchists
Small consolation: after Cromwell died and the monarchy was restored they dug up his body and put it in a cage for people to gawk and mock. Dude was a dick and deserved it.
The modern ones will get theirs eventually. :inshallah:
When I was a kid I was taught that the puritans came to North America for religious freedom.
No. It was because everyone was sick of their shit! When they took power in England they outlawed dancing, celebrating Christmas, and launched a genocidal invasion of Ireland. Just total pieces of shit that make John Calvin look like a hippie.
I mean, that's sort of two sides to the same coin.
Europe had cycles of liberal Protestantism and conservative Catholicism, wherein the response between the two got more and more severe. By the time of the Puritans, you're dealing with people who had friends and family tortured to death for saying "Maybe the Pope isn't infallible". The only folks who stick by their guns on that are necessarily going to be crazy. And the folks who are die-hard Catholic zealots are also crazy.
It's a bit like QAnon and BlueAnon folks being the result of this escalation of tension between mass media organizations.
True, both sides were doing real psycho shit. The queen of England during that period isn't called "Bloody Mary" for no reason.
I also dated a Portuguese woman whose ancestors converted from Judaism to Catholicism because they didn't want to get expelled/tortured/murdered by the inquisition.
Edit: point I'm trying to make is I'm not letting the catholics off the hook, either.
well they were fleeing the consequences for regicide. Also they only went crazy once they got to America back in England they were some of the first in centuries to propose common ownership of the means of production
No they were plenty crazy the whole time. They went to Amsterdam first but the Dutch told them to gtfo.
I'm a little biased as I'm from a part of the UK that faced really violent reprisals for it's historical puritanism. But I would recommend reading the world turned upside down by Christopher Hill
if you don't want to read a book this video does a pretty good examination of them, they were definitely weird but they also are largely responsible for a lot of left wing political ideas. Back in England some of them were essentially proto-anarchists
And they are still doing the same shit, the god dammed yanks mess with everyone who does not share their puritanical ideology.
Small consolation: after Cromwell died and the monarchy was restored they dug up his body and put it in a cage for people to gawk and mock. Dude was a dick and deserved it.
The modern ones will get theirs eventually. :inshallah: