how do you feel about punishing nazis in their 80s? Or about that lady that got emmett till lynched? or did they get old enough that their crimes are just who cares now to you
the problem is it's immaterial. if you want to kill them that's fine, if you want to call it justice that's fine, but it isn't meaningfully impacting anything so it isn't praxis.
at least for the purposes of the thought experiment. in reality an 80-year-old could still be contributing materially to systemic harm. in which case ridding the world of them is a good thing.
Meme answer: kick old Nazis down the stairs etc. etc.
Serious answer: Not for me to decide, their fates are up to the victims. If they decide death penalty then so be it I will gladly help them. If not then nothing will be done. Theyre fucking old, dying, and harmless, nothing worth taking initiative on.
i mentioned nazis in their 80s as in people who were part of the nazi party and were later found and brought to trial during more modern times. This is also why I brought up the emmett till accuser, as she was similarly old and yet still had not faced justice. I'm saying that if you believe those people are still a harm to society, then you must also be able to see why people who were part of the US military system should fall under similar scrutiny. If that is not what you were saying, if there was a miss-step in communication then I'm sorry.
i feel like my point is being lost in the weeds of semantics and not seen for what it is, which is that I think it’s entirely fair for people to have misgivings about people who were part of the imperial complex, regardless of their current sympathies, that’s all
What do you think the vast majority of troops are? The vast majority of troops are sorry about their service, they're just depressed that their war crimes make them sad.
I spent a fair bit of time last night suggesting that maybe a veteran being "repentant" requires supporting their victims in some real way.
Really not sure why you keep going to accusing people of wanting veterans to physically suffer when in most cases its about simply not accepting war crime participants into movements and organizations, and being verbally mean to them about it.
how do you feel about punishing nazis in their 80s? Or about that lady that got emmett till lynched? or did they get old enough that their crimes are just who cares now to you
the problem is it's immaterial. if you want to kill them that's fine, if you want to call it justice that's fine, but it isn't meaningfully impacting anything so it isn't praxis.
at least for the purposes of the thought experiment. in reality an 80-year-old could still be contributing materially to systemic harm. in which case ridding the world of them is a good thing.
Meme answer: kick old Nazis down the stairs etc. etc.
Serious answer: Not for me to decide, their fates are up to the victims. If they decide death penalty then so be it I will gladly help them. If not then nothing will be done. Theyre fucking old, dying, and harmless, nothing worth taking initiative on.
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nazi vets in their 80s still cause harm but people who were part of the US imperial machine dont?
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i mentioned nazis in their 80s as in people who were part of the nazi party and were later found and brought to trial during more modern times. This is also why I brought up the emmett till accuser, as she was similarly old and yet still had not faced justice. I'm saying that if you believe those people are still a harm to society, then you must also be able to see why people who were part of the US military system should fall under similar scrutiny. If that is not what you were saying, if there was a miss-step in communication then I'm sorry.
i feel like my point is being lost in the weeds of semantics and not seen for what it is, which is that I think it’s entirely fair for people to have misgivings about people who were part of the imperial complex, regardless of their current sympathies, that’s all
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What do you think the vast majority of troops are? The vast majority of troops are sorry about their service, they're just depressed that their war crimes make them sad.
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I spent a fair bit of time last night suggesting that maybe a veteran being "repentant" requires supporting their victims in some real way.
Really not sure why you keep going to accusing people of wanting veterans to physically suffer when in most cases its about simply not accepting war crime participants into movements and organizations, and being verbally mean to them about it.
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A case of two sides aggressively agreeing 🤣