Probably fine for hunters and marksmen as long as they store them safely. Probably more harmful than good as personal protection for the general public.
Organised workers with guns would be awesome and under no pretenses etc. but until we have enough organised workers to make that happen I'm kind of happy to live in a place where nazis can't just waltz into a gun store and buy an AK-47.
:downbear: Responsible hunting replaces the predators that our ancestors destroyed or adds a predator to invasive species. Ideally we'd have the wolves back, but some places like the everglades would be even worse off if it weren't for game management.
It is possible to be opposed to two different things simultaneously that are both bad, despite the fact that one is worse than the other. Never thought I'd have to explain that very simple concept here. Also, while I am concerned about the suffering of animals being hunted, I am likewise concerned about the harm that perpetuating the systemic myth of "hunting is 'good for conservation'" does to actual conservation.
Also, I never claimed that the entirety of conservation is based on the false premise that human intervention by killing wildlife is somehow good ecologically. But it is in fact a part of it.
This thread reminds me of the gymnastics that pundits perform to make it seem like coal mining is akshually good for curbing the effects of climate change.
Correct, capitalist 'economics' is a motivated construct. You can do anything you need to with money, because it isn't real. You can lend it, transfer it, or even borrow it from the future. It is incredibly malleable because it's only constraints are social.
Ecological functions exist with or without us. The demands of a biosphere are concrete and fundamental. You can't lend species diversity, transfer a food web or borrow a soil microboime from the future. If an imbalance exists in nature, no amount of creative accounting will erase it's effects.
A human-made approach towards a human-made problem occurring within a human-made system is not comparable to a human-made approach towards a thermodynamics problem as old as life.
Probably fine for hunters and marksmen as long as they store them safely. Probably more harmful than good as personal protection for the general public.
Organised workers with guns would be awesome and under no pretenses etc. but until we have enough organised workers to make that happen I'm kind of happy to live in a place where nazis can't just waltz into a gun store and buy an AK-47.
Hunting is bad dude.
There's a lot of reasons people hunt. Idk if I'd say a big blanket statement like that.
Like for the rare exceptions with indigenous people who are entitled to it, hunting is wrong in every other circumstance.
Not to start a struggle session, but literally every culture in the world hunts. If hunting is bad then it's bad for everyone.
:downbear: Responsible hunting replaces the predators that our ancestors destroyed or adds a predator to invasive species. Ideally we'd have the wolves back, but some places like the everglades would be even worse off if it weren't for game management.
Also wtf kind of predator do we have to introduce to keep giant hogs from just going around wrecking what little we haven't?
Even mountain lions rarely go after adult boar.
we must engineer a super-wolf, or a great-big lion to compensate in the ecological arms race
I mean we could import tigers, but then they'd probably compete with mountain lions.
mountain-tiger, an unholy synthesis. the perfect predator. lock up your goddang kids
I don't think you can breed them, mountain lions are more closely related to house cats than tigers or lions.
not with that attitude you ain't
Ooh yeah it's Jurassic Park time 🦖
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You're the one who asked for people's opinions on this topic.
That doesn't mean every opinion is equally valid. "Guns are good because people can use them to murder innocents" simply does not follow
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"I'm vegan and murdering animals for sport but pretending it's conservation is actually good!"
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It is possible to be opposed to two different things simultaneously that are both bad, despite the fact that one is worse than the other. Never thought I'd have to explain that very simple concept here. Also, while I am concerned about the suffering of animals being hunted, I am likewise concerned about the harm that perpetuating the systemic myth of "hunting is 'good for conservation'" does to actual conservation.
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Insisting that the entire science of ecological conservation was made up to provide an excuse for sport hunting is a hell of a move
Insisting that the entirety of the science of economics was made up to justify capital accumulation is a hell of a move. Yet here we are.
Also, I never claimed that the entirety of conservation is based on the false premise that human intervention by killing wildlife is somehow good ecologically. But it is in fact a part of it.
This thread reminds me of the gymnastics that pundits perform to make it seem like coal mining is akshually good for curbing the effects of climate change.
Correct, capitalist 'economics' is a motivated construct. You can do anything you need to with money, because it isn't real. You can lend it, transfer it, or even borrow it from the future. It is incredibly malleable because it's only constraints are social.
Ecological functions exist with or without us. The demands of a biosphere are concrete and fundamental. You can't lend species diversity, transfer a food web or borrow a soil microboime from the future. If an imbalance exists in nature, no amount of creative accounting will erase it's effects.
A human-made approach towards a human-made problem occurring within a human-made system is not comparable to a human-made approach towards a thermodynamics problem as old as life.