capturing wild pokemon is not particularly defensible but the wild pokemon don't have to attack me just for going for a swim or walking trough tall grass
yes.... both the wild pokemon and the trainer consent to the violence, which directly contradicts "non-consensual sparring partner" referring to the wild pokemon
That is assuming wild battles are nonconsensual, the games dont really handle this well since you can force pokemon that otherwise flee to stay, but I am pretty sure the idea is that the ones that fight you mechanically are meant to all be consenting. Weird and kinda gross for sure, but let's not be obtuse and just write off intent. It is more ludonarrative dissonance than anything
That's because they try to just dip their toe into the weird ethics and can't square the circle and keep it kid friendly.
Would be cool to see Nintendo just dive right into the ethical implications headfirst in a new game. Straight up have a Pokemon revolt with Pokemon leaders pushing for freedom and killing humans and their comprador poketraitor pets and seizing Pokecenters. Have an all out conflict where both sides utilize conventional weaponry and pokemon in tactical and strategic ways. Allow the player to become Team Rocket and steal other people's pokemon or a revolutionary pokemon sympathizer that joins free pokemon in battle and helps free captives. Have a genius pokemon discover a type of Pokeball that captures humans. Reveal the outright moral depravity of a society that enslave and battles with sentient creatures in this way, have the "pokemon are our friends and we love them" creeps be sniveling centrist Libs who fail to stop the rise of Rocket Fascists who want to mass enslave Pokemon for hard labor, factory farming and extreme exploitation because they are cowards who kind of like using Pokemon at the end of the day
Sorta similar to the original anime ending that was planned. Pikachu was gonna revolt and there was some weird shit with the whole thing being an older Ash daydreaming then waking back up at the start of the first episode having learned to coexist with pokemon or something. It is vague and obviously never came close to happening.
The anime makes it pretty blatant that a pokemon can and will leave or disobey if it wants. See Charmander just choosing to leave his abusive trainer. The games I think intend that dynamic, with some implication that pokemon who battle you are ones that want to fight and capturing is them deciding you are worthwhile, but that is so subtextual.
The anime really is the only one that makes it explicit. We see Ash get the consent of pokemon he battles with the intent of catching
See Charmander just choosing to leave his abusive trainer.
I mean, this episode started with the Charmander having been abandoned by its trainer. Ash & co found it sick on a rock and rushed it to a Pokemon center before the flame on its tail went out, and the episode ended with Charmander proving how strong it was and then refusing to go back.
Thats literally my point. Charmander never had to stay, it was abuse that made it feel it needed to stay on that rock and suffer for being weak. It could and DID reject its trainer after it was given help. The episode handles it really fucking well,
edit: I hate that Suede's Pokemon Journey got taken off of youtube cause he makes this point far better than I
Slaves can't consent to shit.
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excuse me, wild pokemon attack the player when they walk through tall grass. stating a fight implies consenting to a fight surely.
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it's some tall grass, you're not mowing it. they could just wait for you to leave.
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it attacked me!
capturing wild pokemon is not particularly defensible but the wild pokemon don't have to attack me just for going for a swim or walking trough tall grass
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yes.... both the wild pokemon and the trainer consent to the violence, which directly contradicts "non-consensual sparring partner" referring to the wild pokemon
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you only find a pokemon if it attacks you except for like mewtwo and the legendary birds
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Like they said, it is not Undertale.......god now I kinda want a synthesis of what both of you are saying. Toby Fox does work for Pokemon now
This game isn't undertale
That is assuming wild battles are nonconsensual, the games dont really handle this well since you can force pokemon that otherwise flee to stay, but I am pretty sure the idea is that the ones that fight you mechanically are meant to all be consenting. Weird and kinda gross for sure, but let's not be obtuse and just write off intent. It is more ludonarrative dissonance than anything
The entire premise of the franchise is full of contradictions and any time they try to dissect it they just make it more apparent and worse.
That's because they try to just dip their toe into the weird ethics and can't square the circle and keep it kid friendly.
Would be cool to see Nintendo just dive right into the ethical implications headfirst in a new game. Straight up have a Pokemon revolt with Pokemon leaders pushing for freedom and killing humans and their comprador poketraitor pets and seizing Pokecenters. Have an all out conflict where both sides utilize conventional weaponry and pokemon in tactical and strategic ways. Allow the player to become Team Rocket and steal other people's pokemon or a revolutionary pokemon sympathizer that joins free pokemon in battle and helps free captives. Have a genius pokemon discover a type of Pokeball that captures humans. Reveal the outright moral depravity of a society that enslave and battles with sentient creatures in this way, have the "pokemon are our friends and we love them" creeps be sniveling centrist Libs who fail to stop the rise of Rocket Fascists who want to mass enslave Pokemon for hard labor, factory farming and extreme exploitation because they are cowards who kind of like using Pokemon at the end of the day
Sorta similar to the original anime ending that was planned. Pikachu was gonna revolt and there was some weird shit with the whole thing being an older Ash daydreaming then waking back up at the start of the first episode having learned to coexist with pokemon or something. It is vague and obviously never came close to happening.
if the pokemon's level is higher than yours it won't listen to you
Until you win enough dog-fights and receive all the slavemaster badges
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The anime makes it pretty blatant that a pokemon can and will leave or disobey if it wants. See Charmander just choosing to leave his abusive trainer. The games I think intend that dynamic, with some implication that pokemon who battle you are ones that want to fight and capturing is them deciding you are worthwhile, but that is so subtextual.
The anime really is the only one that makes it explicit. We see Ash get the consent of pokemon he battles with the intent of catching
I mean, this episode started with the Charmander having been abandoned by its trainer. Ash & co found it sick on a rock and rushed it to a Pokemon center before the flame on its tail went out, and the episode ended with Charmander proving how strong it was and then refusing to go back.
Thats literally my point. Charmander never had to stay, it was abuse that made it feel it needed to stay on that rock and suffer for being weak. It could and DID reject its trainer after it was given help. The episode handles it really fucking well,
edit: I hate that Suede's Pokemon Journey got taken off of youtube cause he makes this point far better than I