:vegan-v: :soypoint-2: She's vegan
by sparring with non-consensual partners
excuse me, wild pokemon attack the player when they walk through tall grass. stating a fight implies consenting to a fight surely.
it's some tall grass, you're not mowing it. they could just wait for you to leave.
it attacked me!
capturing wild pokemon is not particularly defensible but the wild pokemon don't have to attack me just for going for a swim or walking trough tall grass
yes.... both the wild pokemon and the trainer consent to the violence, which directly contradicts "non-consensual sparring partner" referring to the wild pokemon
you only find a pokemon if it attacks you except for like mewtwo and the legendary birds
Like they said, it is not Undertale.......god now I kinda want a synthesis of what both of you are saying. Toby Fox does work for Pokemon now
That is assuming wild battles are nonconsensual, the games dont really handle this well since you can force pokemon that otherwise flee to stay, but I am pretty sure the idea is that the ones that fight you mechanically are meant to all be consenting. Weird and kinda gross for sure, but let's not be obtuse and just write off intent. It is more ludonarrative dissonance than anything
The entire premise of the franchise is full of contradictions and any time they try to dissect it they just make it more apparent and worse.
That's because they try to just dip their toe into the weird ethics and can't square the circle and keep it kid friendly.
Would be cool to see Nintendo just dive right into the ethical implications headfirst in a new game. Straight up have a Pokemon revolt with Pokemon leaders pushing for freedom and killing humans and their comprador poketraitor pets and seizing Pokecenters. Have an all out conflict where both sides utilize conventional weaponry and pokemon in tactical and strategic ways. Allow the player to become Team Rocket and steal other people's pokemon or a revolutionary pokemon sympathizer that joins free pokemon in battle and helps free captives. Have a genius pokemon discover a type of Pokeball that captures humans. Reveal the outright moral depravity of a society that enslave and battles with sentient creatures in this way, have the "pokemon are our friends and we love them" creeps be sniveling centrist Libs who fail to stop the rise of Rocket Fascists who want to mass enslave Pokemon for hard labor, factory farming and extreme exploitation because they are cowards who kind of like using Pokemon at the end of the day
Sorta similar to the original anime ending that was planned. Pikachu was gonna revolt and there was some weird shit with the whole thing being an older Ash daydreaming then waking back up at the start of the first episode having learned to coexist with pokemon or something. It is vague and obviously never came close to happening.
if the pokemon's level is higher than yours it won't listen to you
Until you win enough dog-fights and receive all the slavemaster badges
The anime makes it pretty blatant that a pokemon can and will leave or disobey if it wants. See Charmander just choosing to leave his abusive trainer. The games I think intend that dynamic, with some implication that pokemon who battle you are ones that want to fight and capturing is them deciding you are worthwhile, but that is so subtextual.
The anime really is the only one that makes it explicit. We see Ash get the consent of pokemon he battles with the intent of catching
See Charmander just choosing to leave his abusive trainer.
I mean, this episode started with the Charmander having been abandoned by its trainer. Ash & co found it sick on a rock and rushed it to a Pokemon center before the flame on its tail went out, and the episode ended with Charmander proving how strong it was and then refusing to go back.
Thats literally my point. Charmander never had to stay, it was abuse that made it feel it needed to stay on that rock and suffer for being weak. It could and DID reject its trainer after it was given help. The episode handles it really fucking well,
edit: I hate that Suede's Pokemon Journey got taken off of youtube cause he makes this point far better than I
Miltank drinks its own milk, seems like it's probably ok honestly.
They do seem to be sentient, so milk/eggs willingly given would be vegan. That isn't to say all milk/eggs in the pokémon world are. They're also shown eating what appears to be meat sometimes and it isn't clear if that is pokémon or "normal" animals.
At various times throughout the series it's stated that they're eating a Pokemon. Pokemon G&S had the plot about Team Rocket poaching Slowpoke tails, the animated series had Ash worried that Prof Oak would eat his Crabby (turns out Oak was eating Gary's much larger Crabby), etc.
Then again, the show used to have guns until somebody decided to retcon it and say that everyone in the Pokemon World settles their differences with Pokemon Battles, so :shrug-outta-hecks:
the soviet union resolving its differences with nazi germany by murdering them with charizards
You only think you're kidding, it's a huge plot point in Pokemon X/Y that a character's Pokemon lost their life in The War.
I imagine that the reason Pokemon World is so utopic is because the peasants simply Pokemon battled all the landlords at some point in the past and achieved communism.
Idk why ghetsis never had a gun shooting a gun seems to be far quicker than throwing pokeballs
The show also used to have real world animals. Never ceases to be weird looking back at it
That would depend on their ability to own their own means of production though. Like, are these independent pokemon? Do they own property? Do they have other options in life besides that? Additionally does constantly laying eggs/being pregnant cause health issues like they do for agricultural animals in our world?
There are moves for giving milk and laying eggs so that last part is likely a nonissue? I'm personally not sure if the literal healthbars confirm this or not.
egg laying takes like 1000 steps evidently and no one knows how it happens or how the pokemon lay them. So I am gonna guess it is not strenuous since that should be noticeable. That or all the daycare people really are just that dumb
no one knows how it happens or how the pokemon lay them
My headcanon is that this is just what the NPCs say to you because you're a child in the games.
Probably, but I love imagining that Laura's grandparents who presumably had a child who then had Laura, somehow are confused. It also avoids some of the squickiness of a lot of egg groups
The sandwich minigame in Scarlet/Violet is coy about wether or not the animal products involved animal death. Most of the fish comes from Veluza, a species which sheds excess strips of flesh to become faster and more deadly. The imitation crab is stated to only be flavored with shed Klawf shells... the "pork" is never given any excuse, but I'm assuming it's like the Garden of Eden gag from The Simpsons where a pig offers Homer strips of bacon right off of his belly.
Carnist logic at work folks. They made the conscious decision to depict every animal in the Pokémon universe as having human-like intelligence so that even meat-eaters can truly empathize with them. Then, instead of having humans just eat vegetables or use the fictional excuse of "oh we have food replicators, so no killing necessary for this delicious tauros flesh!" they instead take cognitive dissonance to the extreme. It's our right to eat animals god damn it! But Pokémon are so cute... Oh what if we just ate their dandruff? It's practically an egg! It's not surprising. This is the same company that brought you the liberal games "Black and White" whose storytelling is considered the finest in the entire franchise. And what is the storytelling? Well, when you think about it, Pokémon battling is kind of bad, so don't think about it! Only super evil VILLAIN teams think about it. Besides, who's to say "maybe we shouldn't enslave pokémon" is a truthful or idealistic statement? Well it doesn't matter; Ghetsis was behind the whole thing! So let's enslave Pokémon. Liberal ideology at work. It's impossible to critique the current system. :very-intelligent:
You got to appreciate the honesty of the early series where they just flat out say we are eating pokemon. I think the most fucked up one was Farfetch which they say tastes good boiled with leak (which the Farfetch convieniently carrys around with him), I think people overhunting them is used to explain their rarity.
I am going to eat arceus. It's vegan in the same way eating the rich is vegan. I will eat God
If pokemons are so smart why zubats keep running to my flamethrower charizard? Checkmate liberals
I'm not above instituting a hunting season on Zubats to control for overpopulation.
She's not vegan if she captures Pokemon and enslaves them to fight for her
Precisely why mystery dungeon is superior to the flagship games. I mean, look at the Pokemonses in their cute little bandanas 🥺
Well lots of Pokémon are vegans presumably? At least the non-mammalian ones
Honestly only gen 5 had good story cant take any of the 3d pokemon game story game seriously sorry why tf you have lip syncing and rap sections without any voice?
