• MichelLouise [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I'm more and more convinced that Trump might try something in November, although it first appeared to me as libs libbing once again (I mean I heard dems and redditors mentioning this possibility before I heard the Trump side hiting at this).

    Still,

    • Is there any possibility that, if Trump wins, the democrats could also challenge the results, denounce voting fraud (that will definitely take place), ask for recounts, and ultimately try to take the presidency? IMO yes. It might go to the supreme court, and with the social climate in the US by then, it might even be a call for a new vote. Just saying, whatever happens, this elections will be "Clusterf@#k to the White House" for sure.

    • Trump is fiercly fighting against mail voting. I stopped trying to understand Trump's actions years ago (IMO mainly Surkov style PR). And I guess for the GOP this is the good ol' "preventing people who don't vote for me to vote at all". But I fail to understand why dems and even electoralist lefties are pushing so much for it, not seeing how it could backfire, and why the GOP doesn't see this as the perfect opportunity to steal the election. Absentee ballots are way more likely to be for progressives and way more likely to "get lost".

    Why would delaying the election be such a bad idea, when we don't have any idea what the pandemic and the eviction protests might look like in November? (inb4 because we have a dang cheeto in the White House). US elections are a useless farce anyway. But it seems to me that the libs and chuds opinions on the matter could be completely reversed and that they only come from what party leaders are saying. Are the libs really that confident in their victory? Is Trump really desperate enough to see this kind of move as his only way to stay? And that's assuming he even wants to stay in the first place.

    I don't understand anything these clowns are doing anymore, help me.

    • RindlessWatermelon [they/them,he/him]
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      4 years ago

      The easiest way to subvert liberal elections isnt actually by manipulating the result, but by making everyone think you did, so that they don't trust the results.

      Honestly there is a real chance that whoever wins, a significant portion of the country will see the results as fraudulent (either mail in, or russia) and that might actually lead to something big.

    • Pavlichenko_Fan_Club [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      It is looking to be a shitshow either way. In my opinion only good can come from this as any deligetimizing of the USA's so-called democratic institutions is a good thing.

    • MorelaakIsBack [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Trump is fiercly fighting against mail voting. I stopped trying to understand Trump’s actions years ago (IMO mainly Surkov style PR). And I guess for the GOP this is the good ol’ “preventing people who don’t vote for me to vote at all”. But I fail to understand why dems and even electoralist lefties are pushing so much for it, not seeing how it could backfire, and why the GOP doesn’t see this as the perfect opportunity to steal the election. Absentee ballots are way more likely to be for progressives and way more likely to “get lost”.

      Combine this structural pressure to avoid mail-in and vote in person with the societal pressure to avoid large gathering places to disrupt the spread of COVID and you've got a recipe for absolute chaos

      • MichelLouise [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Well "voting fraud" was the wrong choice of words. I thought of something very broad, like any attempt to influence the results of the votes. Even stuff coming from anti-voters law (which makes it definitely not a "fraud" in the legal sense of the term) like gerrymandering or closing polling stations to target specific demographics. Anything within the narrative that the only reason why the GOP could win is because they bent the rules. Kind of like they did with the "hE DiD nOt ReAlLy WoN 'cAuSe He lOsT tHe PoPuLaR vOtE" thing.

        So what I meant was that even if this argument is stupid and shows the profound weakness of the dems, the GOP is indeed "definitely" organizing voter suppression.

    • Canama [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Trump is both lazy and a coward. A coup would take both guts and effort.

      If he loses, which is likely, he'll walk out of the White House on January 20.

      • MichelLouise [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Ho don't get me wrong, I don't think he has the will or the capacity to do a coup. By "something" I mean just enough to keep the media circus spinning around his person, to make his supporters believe his failure was a conspiracy, and for the dems to make fools of themselves by calling "coup" and "dictatorship" something that obviously is not.

        Like a clown bidding farewell to the scene.

        Not a real coup. An Andy Kaufman coup.

        The US political landscape is so weak, that would be enough to make it implode.