• Des [she/her, they/them]
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    1 month ago

    why do these fucks always take the mantle of "rational, data driven" is how they found neoliberalism?

    what if your own reasoning and data interest actually made you a communist instead?

    • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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      1 month ago

      Because that implies that data has 'ideology' as opposed to just data points existing in a vacuum.

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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      1 month ago

      the central conceit of neoliberalism has always been that it's the most rational position and only the true adults in the room will accept its mandates.

      this was all the more mindboggling in the aftermath of the World Wars, when state-driven planning resulted in absolutely massive economic and industrial booms and even better profit for the bourgeoisie than under "free trade". it was literally just "ignore what happened over the last five years, ignore the evidence of your senses, we have to do deflation and remove funding from programs." this total willingness to ignore history and science in the pursuit of maintaining the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie even at the expense of their own profits means that there is no hope that in the current day, neoliberal governments will follow China's lead. hell, even mild Keynesianism and full employment measures would be regardless as giga-Stalinist ultracommunism now. this is bad for us proles of course, but pretty great if you're interested in watching Western imperialism collapse - they will resist with all their might any attempt to take the offramp that would save the imperialist system

      • Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 month ago

        when state-driven planning resulted in absolutely massive economic and industrial booms and even better profit for the bourgeoisie than under “free trade”.

        That's the problem, it didn't. State led ultra fast capital accumulation tanked the profitability of western firms in a very short period of time. It was basically the ideal conditions for having a falling rate of profit, high accumulation and relatively low/falling birth rates. By the 1970s, the capitalist class were looking for any excuse to get rid of state-led industrial policy they could and the oil shock was the perfect opportunity. The neoliberal era is basically the aftermath of the capitalist reaction and victory over the post-WW2 industrial boom.

        they will resist with all their might any attempt to take the offramp that would save the imperialist system

        What gives me hope is seeing western militaries struggle to even field ships against say, Yemen (iirc most nations in operation prosperity guardian pulled out because their ships kept breaking down lmao). Their whole military has been drained of weaponry in Ukraine and Israel and are literally falling apart.

        • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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          1 month ago

          From Mattei's The Capital Order, on wartime measures during WW1:

          While it is true that the British imposed caps on sale prices and limits on profits, these measures did not antagonize private capital. Rather, private capital had cooperated, securing for itself guaranteed fixed dividends and substantial economic advantages. Moreover, the windfall opportunities that came with compelling trade unions to abandon their restrictive practices (for example, on work hours and wage flexibility) and a license to impose tighter factory discipline outweighed any disadvantage of the modest profit limitation (Rubin 1987, 19). The British government also footed the bill for the reproduction of the labor force through welfare measures. In other words, these costs were transferred from the private capitalists to the community at large—i.e., a process of socialization of the cost of reproduction.

          In Italy, as in Britain, during the war the state assisted capitalists with deference. It became the main supplier and client of industry; it procured raw material, acted as guarantor of bank credits and as discipliner of the labor force; and it provided subsidies and coordinated effort (see De Stefani 1926a, 144–55). During the war Italian capitalists gained exponentially more; unlike in Britain, the Italian state had no ceiling on profits. Industrialists ably justified price increases while the government lacked any serious tool to account for their production costs, ultimately accepting and buying at inflated prices. Purchasing contracts were often made informally, and negligence, abuse, and fraud were the ordinary state of things. The state granted tax breaks to abet the capitalists further (Segreto 1982, 42–43). The metallurgical and mechanical sector especially benefited. Large industries like Fiat, Ilva, and Ansaldo had increased their workforce tenfold (Zaganella 2017, 190). Fiat alone was producing fifteen times more vehicles in 1918 than in 1914 (more than 90 percent of which were for the Italian government). Overall, the automobile sector increased its revenue from 32 million in 1913 to 160 million in 1918. The surge in profits confirmed the expectation of many Italian capitalists who had strongly supported war intervention as an opportunity to get out of the overproduction trap while minimizing their dependence on foreign capital (Porisini 1975, 8).

          in this environment, the only justification for not continuing to heavily involve the state was that it would have eventually (and indeed very almost did in Italy) lead to a socialist revolution. as such, the theories of neoclassicist economists in the immediate aftermath of WW1 which eventually culminated in neoliberalism; a political project accepting capitalist crises and lower profitability in exchange for not allowing workers to accumulate any power, masquerading as an economic project of objectivity

          • Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml
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            1 month ago

            During the wars, fraud and the destruction of capital were able to raise the profit rates high. However, after the war, the situation was different and profit rates declined rapidly until the neoliberal era where they rebounded again. You should read this interview to get started

      • Des [she/her, they/them]
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        1 month ago

        so they are basically doing their own accelerationism because their ideology forces them to. no FDR this time to save the day.