I don't want to be convinced that Zoos are bad or something, I want the points that might make them bad and the general thought you have on other things like that, I asked here because I want it from a point of view from people who also see human exploitation as a bad thing yk.

  • Babs [she/her]
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    5 months ago

    Even if zoos did as much conservation work as they claim to, it won't do much good with all the continued habitat destruction.

  • 7bicycles [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    Doug Stanhope sums it up perfectly

    Most of all Zoos will gladly sell you meat products right next to their closest "protected (because few)" relatives while going on about conservationship. If Elephants were common, they'd sell you that shit, too.

  • arcane potato (she/they)@vegantheoryclub.org
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    5 months ago

    All of the listed things are generating income from access to captive animals. They are inherently exploitative.

    Would you pay to visit captive humans if the reason for their captivity was "they can't survive on their own", "it's what's best for them?" or "it's for research"?

    Animals sanctuaries that are doing their best and are not speciest can exist, but the animals are residents and are not displayed.

  • Stolen_Stolen_Valor [any]
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    5 months ago

    I don’t zoos as a concept just in general especially nowadays.

    You can either:

    Go to a zoo and watch a sad animal sleep all day

    Or

    Watch hours and hours of high definition video the same animal doing neat things in their own habitat.

    • booty [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      There is value in seeing and putting into context real, actual, existing animals in front of your face instead of minimal-context videos of animals of ambiguous size on videos. But that's why you should touch-grass and go see animals in the real world.

    • Xx_Aru_xX [she/her, they/them]
      hexagon
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      5 months ago

      And sometimes people will describe zoos as a transactional thing between us and the animals. Like "we give them food and shelter, so looking pretty is the least they can do" kinda thing.

      That's why I mentioned the "people who view human exploitation as bad" thing, other places wouldn't bring this up because to them it's similar to work

    • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      And sometimes people will describe zoos as a transactional thing between us and the animals. Like "we give them food and shelter, so looking pretty is the least they can do" kinda thing.

      That's the same argument carnists use to defend every other instance of keeping animals in captivity, and it annoys me so much. Animals don't need humans to give them food and shelter, and they definitely don't need to "earn a living" serving humans.