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  • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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    The premise of the story is what do you do when you only have bad choices. It is grimdark. If we don't belive grimdark has artistic merrit that is fine. If we grant that it can however, the artistic statements made by this show are more interesting than those made many shows we would consider unremarkable.

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        It isn't necessary for survival. The hero is the only one doing it. The rich are perfectly happy to let the occasional peasant village burn. If goblins are anyone they are white people raiding poor villages, doing sexual violence, and leaving without consequence. That is how we treat the indigenous in reservations to this day. That is the wild west. In which case killing the settlers would have been perfectly valid would it not?

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          • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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            Yeah, the gimmick though is we actually did it. All the things we said we were afraid of them doing we did. We are not liberals. I am not hugely interest I what people say. I am interested in what people so. And we were an encroaching wave of paracites. Had there been a few more cracker slayers among the indigenous people history would likey have turned out better.

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              • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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                So you are telling me the plot is wrong, goblins are fully sentient reasonable creatures? Fine, what is the solution then? I know youbliek to write, so what is the answer to the riddle here?

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                  • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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                    So you are saying, then, the only way to engage with the work is to ignore it completely?

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                      • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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                        Which is not engaging with the work at all. It is really mid at best, so simply ignoring it is fine I suppose.

                        That leaves us with my point that I feel like it covers themes found in regular anime in more interesting and nuanced ways than most regular anime. Which you are free to not care about.

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                          • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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                            In GS the setting is grimdark but the plot is actually very wholesome. It is sus that killing animals is part of the setting and not the plot true. However, animals exist. You talk about fascist comparing people to vermin, which implies the existence of vermin. I do not feel you have justified ignoring the plots assertion that goblins are vermin. You don't have to, we don't have to have this conversation. If we are going to have to have the co versatile you do need to take the work on it's on merrits at least a little.

                            With ayn rand the setting is grimdark and the plot is terrible. The points the plot makes are disproveable in the plot itself just all a mess. If rand created magic worlds where you had to be nechian super men the plot would still fall apart because her solutions about what to do with that are terrible. If she created an airtight work of beautiful fascist fiction, as has be done from time to time, I would just not engage with it.

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                              • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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                                Then we can agree that the show centers female agency in ways unusual for modern art and that is laudable? That really is the only point t I care about here.

                                I would also say that fantasy genocide is a common enough part of even mainstream liberal art that in this moment it isn't really remarkable, but we have some disagreement there.

                                I don't really care about the goblins, neither does the author, and neither do you. You care because you feel the goblins are secretly not goblins, but regular people. Which is a claim neither of us are really deeply invested in considering. However it is interesting to consider I think.

                                Do I have what we are saying accurate here?

                                • YellowParenti [they/them]
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                                  I don’t really care about the goblins, neither does the author, and neither do you. You care because you feel the goblins are secretly not goblins, but regular people. Which is a claim neither of us are really deeply invested in considering. However it is interesting to consider I think.

                                  Just reading along, this seems accurate? Would it be easier if the goblins weren't so humanoid? What if they were mosquitoes?

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                                    That would just be aliens. Except anime hicks has anime ptsd and anime signorny weaver tries to help him to restore her faith in anime God. So a less good anime version of it. Which is still why better than most anime