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How much cartoon child porn does that pedophile weeb require someone to watch before they're allowed to have an opinion about it? :up-yours-woke-moralists:
"You're taking [thing] out of context watch [large number] more hours until you understand it!" Is basically an admission of defeat.
One of :reddit-logo: 's most popular tactics is to use loaded arguments to imply that you would already agree with the :reddit-logo: if only you consumed just a bit more product than you already have.
"Bro Walking Dead gets good after the first season, bro you just have to slog through a couple more episodes of it."
I got pretty much that exact argument about Goblin Slayer before: "just ignore the very first episode which presents the :awooga: :libertarian-alert: :hypersus: casus belli excuse for genocide and does it in a way that feeds the very same hogs that are nodding along to how terrible the sexual violence spectacle it is while cinematically framed to encourage getting off to it. The extermination campaign against goblins is actually very clever and quirky and the writers say it is totally not a genocide because the fiction was written to say that goblins aren't actually people just trust me bro. You stopped watching so you can't judge all the not-genocidal antics of the ego insert isekai mass not-murderer." :morshupls:
As the only goblin slayer defender on this site I disagree. At least for the anime they sexual violence is excessive, but exactly what a porly socialized edgelord would think is artistic. It centers the victims experience and how it isn't good actually. That is the only anime I know about that is anti sexual violence. It has themes there that a better writer could have really gotten work down with. There are plenty of anime sexual assault fans and they don't claim the show. The vibes are bad because it hit the exact mid point of not going far enough in any direction. I think if it had been a blatant exploitation anime it would have done very well commercially and people would have just written it off like all the other pro SA anime they ignore.
That is the only anime I know about that is anti sexual violence.
Is it really "anti" when its fandom and otakus in general have already gone :awooga: across the internet for the casus belli moment in the first episode while also nodding along to "and this genocide is okay" afterward?
There really isn't a viable way to spin "the writers said it's not genocide because they don't see goblins as people" that doesn't sound fascist either, because it is a fascist point of view with fantasy excuses. Historical precedent like Gary Gygax's rants about "born evil" races don't excuse it either; Gygax was a giant chud anyway.
It is fash, but the fantasy genera is always kinda fash. That is true. Japan do be like that in general. If we accept the premise that goblins are like chimpanzees but obligate paracites, the protagonist is an underpaid exterminator. Which is an interesting lense through which to view the show.
There are degrees to it, like there are degrees to most things. There's a world of difference between the political ideologies of Earthsea and Sword of Truth. Saying "its all kind of fash therefore isekai genocide apologia adventures are okay" is a scorched earth tactic.
If we accept the premise that goblins are like chimpanzees but obligate paracites
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"If we accept (shit Hitler said in Mein Kampf), the protagonist is morally justified actually, which is an interesting lens through which to read that book. :morshupls:
I mean, mosquitos and chimpanzees exist. A creature that combines the charactistics of both is an effective horror creature. It had less sexual violence than it's contemporary Sword art. At no point was the violence ever treated as bad or with consequences in sao. In contrast GS had multiple plot arcs about ptsd. There is something interesting and good there. It is way better than any mainstream anime has any right to be. Yeah it isn't perfect, but it represented a possible future where anime got better instead of worse. It just cooks my noodle that people got mad at the anime that swung and missed more than the animes that never tried.
Again, you're making Thermian arguments for justifying genocide. Just because the writers are fine with a visibly intelligent species that does intelligent things to fight being dehumanized and called fair game for genocide doesn't justify the contrivances for genocide apologia. Saying it's not genocide because the intelligent beings are narratively presented as vermin is pretty much what the nazis said about their enemies, including using rat imagery in their propaganda.
It is way better than any mainstream anime has any right to be.
That's like a kiss of death when I read it. That just makes mainstream anime sound worse.
I had never heard of the termination argument. That is all of of nerd culture. If we can't talk about defending the jedi because the force wills it than there is no point to even having the conversation. We have to at least accept it to engage in the game.
Yes, mainstream anime is garbage.
There is a difference vetween accepting the nazi argument and the fantasy argument. We're Hitler correct about inferior people the correct solution would be to help them not exterminator them.
I know dialog is cheap. There are multiple scenes where characters talk about wanting to find a better way but the people with money don't care to try. The Bourgeois are explicitly called out for making it all worse.
Which is exactly how the real world deals with sexual violence and mosquitos. If goblins like in the story were real but just killed a few poor people every now and again we would handle them exactly how the nobility in the show does. Just occasionally sending exterminators when profits go down.
Comparing goblins to mosquitos, even within the framing of the cryptofascist fiction where they're demonstrated to be intelligent in measurable ways except the writers say "no they're not, trust me bro," continues to rub me the wrong way.
Goblins don't require magic sexual violence for reproduction in most of their versions in other, older, and more established fantasy, either. The writers just decided to include that both as a genocide excuse and, I still suspect, to get off to it. Female goblins exist almost everywhere else, and in almost all other fiction, goblins are intelligent and aren't compared to mosquitos either, even in settings where "born evil" is still a lazy and sus contrivance.
The premise of the story is what do you do when you only have bad choices. It is grimdark. If we don't belive grimdark has artistic merrit that is fine. If we grant that it can however, the artistic statements made by this show are more interesting than those made many shows we would consider unremarkable.
The premise of the story is what do you do when you only have bad choices. It is grimdark.
Yeah, and it conveniently makes the "less bad" choice line up with genocide, thus why I call it genocide apologia. The fiction is conveniently set up for the writers' desires to be not only acceptable, but necessary for survival.
the artistic statements made by this show are more interesting
I disagree. There's plenty of other anime and manga out there that do the "otherfied monster simply must be exterminated" angle and I don't see the value of yet another. I don't even remember its name, but there's a sci-fi space exploration post-apocalypse thingy with glaringly black stereotype sexual violence monsters carrying off women and it's basically just Goblin Slayer with an older skin.
It isn't necessary for survival. The hero is the only one doing it. The rich are perfectly happy to let the occasional peasant village burn. If goblins are anyone they are white people raiding poor villages, doing sexual violence, and leaving without consequence. That is how we treat the indigenous in reservations to this day. That is the wild west. In which case killing the settlers would have been perfectly valid would it not?
"The otherfied dehumanized intelligent vermin must be exterminated and only this poor isolated mass murderer has the will to do it" isn't exactly selling me on it not being cryptofascist apologia.
That is how we treat the indigenous in reservations to this day.
Actually, historical precedent is to call the indigenous people "not actually people" and make vivid fantasies up about how they're coming for their wives therefore exterminating them is not genocide.
Yeah, the gimmick though is we actually did it. All the things we said we were afraid of them doing we did. We are not liberals. I am not hugely interest I what people say. I am interested in what people so. And we were an encroaching wave of paracites. Had there been a few more cracker slayers among the indigenous people history would likey have turned out better.
Clearly you've bought into the Thermian Argument and there's no talking you out of it.
I suppose I have nothing more to say and I'm done trying to convince you that dressed up plot contrivances to excuse genocide are still excuses for genocide.
So you are telling me the plot is wrong, goblins are fully sentient reasonable creatures? Fine, what is the solution then? I know youbliek to write, so what is the answer to the riddle here?
I'm telling you that the plot is a conveniently contrived fiction made by writers that wanted a justified genocide, period. Fiction allows the fiction writer to conjure up any excuse they want to make what they want to happen happen and maybe even make it seem necessary or the lesser of whatever evils.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxV8gAGmbtk
So you are saying, then, the only way to engage with the work is to ignore it completely?
My way to engage with the work is to call it what it is: genocide apologia.
Which is not engaging with the work at all. It is really mid at best, so simply ignoring it is fine I suppose.
That leaves us with my point that I feel like it covers themes found in regular anime in more interesting and nuanced ways than most regular anime. Which you are free to not care about.
Atlas Shrugged conjured up similar convenient fictional contrivances to push its own message, creating a conveniently crude series of plot rails to make the writer's desires necessary and desirable, no matter how horrible the supposedly justified actions are.
Your arguments could be used to defend Mein Kampf, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or any number of other chud/fascist writings, because in every one of those cases the writer already set the stage and you are demanding I humor the writer's fictionalized excuses for what they want me to believe and nod along to.
In GS the setting is grimdark but the plot is actually very wholesome. It is sus that killing animals is part of the setting and not the plot true. However, animals exist. You talk about fascist comparing people to vermin, which implies the existence of vermin. I do not feel you have justified ignoring the plots assertion that goblins are vermin. You don't have to, we don't have to have this conversation. If we are going to have to have the co versatile you do need to take the work on it's on merrits at least a little.
With ayn rand the setting is grimdark and the plot is terrible. The points the plot makes are disproveable in the plot itself just all a mess. If rand created magic worlds where you had to be nechian super men the plot would still fall apart because her solutions about what to do with that are terrible. If she created an airtight work of beautiful fascist fiction, as has be done from time to time, I would just not engage with it.
but the plot is actually very wholesome
If you seriously believe the wacky genocide hijinx are wholesome because the writers conjured up excuses for them that you buy into, I really have nothing more to say to you about this.
You don’t have to, we don’t have to have this conversation.
I'd rather not go further down this cryptofascist genocide apologia rabbithole, no matter how "wholesome" its writers supposedly presented it.
Then we can agree that the show centers female agency in ways unusual for modern art and that is laudable? That really is the only point t I care about here.
I would also say that fantasy genocide is a common enough part of even mainstream liberal art that in this moment it isn't really remarkable, but we have some disagreement there.
I don't really care about the goblins, neither does the author, and neither do you. You care because you feel the goblins are secretly not goblins, but regular people. Which is a claim neither of us are really deeply invested in considering. However it is interesting to consider I think.
Do I have what we are saying accurate here?
I don’t really care about the goblins, neither does the author, and neither do you. You care because you feel the goblins are secretly not goblins, but regular people. Which is a claim neither of us are really deeply invested in considering. However it is interesting to consider I think.
Just reading along, this seems accurate? Would it be easier if the goblins weren't so humanoid? What if they were mosquitoes?
That would just be aliens. Except anime hicks has anime ptsd and anime signorny weaver tries to help him to restore her faith in anime God. So a less good anime version of it. Which is still why better than most anime
That is lazy on my part. However mosquitos are intelligent creatures and deserve life as much as any other. They just happen to be obligate paracites. Which is uncomfortable.
Goblins are shown to be roughly chimpanzee smart, with similar temperament. The sexual paracitism was created by a dark God that hated people if I recall the lore correctly. Yes it is all fake and artificial. However if we aren't going to let the writer write what is the point of even having the conversation? Given the McGuffin constraints the show does interesting things with them. There is a bunch of dumb edgelord shit but under that is stuff more interesting than most random anime have. It is like French new wave cinema except the bar is lower.
I don't like scorched earth tactics like "mosquitoes have some measure of intelligence therefore killing a mosquito is exactly like killing a human being therefore maybe mosquitoes should never be killed or maybe killing humans all the time if they're annoying is also fine" arguments. There's degrees and extents and nuance that that argument is missing.
Goblins are shown to be roughly chimpanzee smart, with similar temperament.
So is exterminating chimpanzees acceptable because they do a violence sometimes? That argument is a nonstarter for me.
It is not exactly like killing a human. You should still try to find other ways. Similar goblins are not exactly like humans. Which is a point you are missing here. You can't have it both ways. If they are exactly like humans raiding villages and taking slaves would probably warrant war. Especially if you are a poor farm village. What could they do? Do they jail them? That is alot of mouths to feed in a hard winter. The nobility is not going to help them now. They definitely aren't going to pay for goblin rehabilitation. These aren't modern people. They don't have modern resources.
It is not exactly like killing a human. You should still try to find other ways. Similar goblins are not exactly like humans. Which is a point you are missing here. You can’t have it both ways. If they are exactly like humans raiding villages and taking slaves would probably warrant war. Especially if you are a poor farm village. What could they do? Do they jail them? That is alot of mouths to feed in a hard winter. The nobility is not going to help them now. They definitely aren’t going to pay for goblin rehabilitation. These aren’t modern people. They don’t have modern resources.
I can and have heard these exact arguments for why immigrants/Muslims/unhoused and more simply must be dealt with in unfortunate but necessary ways. It's a disgusting argument and no amount of writer fiction contrivance hides the stench of cryptofascism in it.
Unfortunately I'm sure there are at least 10 channels that are just this exact guy but with a hundred times more success
"i spend more time jerking off to anime children than you" isn't the massive own they think it is
what if he also adds the time he spends cumming on dolls of anime children? does that add credence to his insult and make it more of an own?
I'm being censored, as we speak, on this very website. My freedom of speech is being suppressed.
YOUTUBE WONT LET ME TALK ABOUT THIS makes a video talking about it I AM BEING CENSORED 300,000 views WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH? deletes any comments critical of him THIS IS LITERALLY 1985 BY BOWLING FOR SOUP
:shapiro-gavel: "you claim that cartoon child porn is bad, yet you haven't spent a large portion of your life jerking off to anime 8 year olds to get to know the topic. liberals owned"
Nonces should stay inside. That's what they do in Japan. Probably the best aspect of British culture is hating these people. It becomes a problem when they go outside.
Not sure what happened to Aella but I don't think she's a bad person. She needs to shut up though and stop normalising the shit she likes. Belle Delphine is okay I guess but I'd retire if I were her. Libertarians won't like her when she's 30.
99% of weirdos like Vaush just need an older woman to step on them. That's what I think. Bet Macron used to like that shit (cool shit, not nonce shit). Maybe still does.
Belle Delphine is okay I guess but I’d retire if I were her.
She was awful and her career is more or less over anyway
Good. Maybe she could get into motorsports or psychiatry and Maoism. Or CBT.
inshallah we have a future where Belle Delphine is a motor sporting maoist psychiatrist doing both kinds of CBT
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kyle rittenhouse type beat
yo.... uh.... yeah... uh-huh, check it..
yo..
the fools at vice giving fools advice
about lolicon what a con
ima fry their rice
used to be real nice
til i got left on read
by a stacy but she must've been
corrupted
no respect for tradition so im goin to japan on an expedition
where it aint illegal to just be askin questions
about the age of consent what im just askin questions
then its a sick eminem style chorus but i havent wrote that yet what do yall think is it good?
Sorry, I was offline before I realized I didn't add a CW. I'd add it now, but I seem unable to do so. Should I just repost it but with a CW?
the sweaty fedoralord who made this video is probably like "if u dont spend at least 2 hrs a day jerking off to lolicon u are simply not equipped w the mental faculties to have this conversation... but alas... they say ignorance is bliss...."
they did? ive never heard of them, how do they still have their channel.
ah. I guess thats why terms like csam and csem are important. I thought you meant child sexual abuse material. "child porn" isnt really used for this reason, not to nitpick I was just confused, im very literal lol.
