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indeed, we'd be living in a nightmare world without any hope right now
No coincidence the color revolution happened during/immediately after Gorbachev's visit, which was the official end to the Sino-Soviet split. With the official reconciliation of the PRC and USSR, the US pivoted back to treating China as the enemy and conspired to overthrow the CPC.
They have to, this is one of the biggest cold war disinfo campaigns. if they release the information about the Tiananmen events people will question every single major news event from the 20th century and even current events happening now.
no they wouldnt. if the CIA released all the info in a document titled "we did it cos we're monsters", they'd immediately pivot to supporting it because it's necessary to stop evil china.
I remember getting into an argument on here just after federation (I think) about how would western powers "invent" ten thousand dead people, as though the three sources for that number couldn't just lie (none of whom were there). They were getting quite heated but also lots of laugh reacts???
I remember there was a lot of arguing about this around that time. People were literally repeating the "tanks ran over corpses repeatedly to mulch them" story. Top minds of
.It's gospel here in Australia. You're super massively weird if you don't believe it
Same in Canada. I remember being taught about the Tiananmen "massacre" in a really graphic and honestly traumatizing way in sixth grade. What I don't remember is being taught about the genocide of American indigenous peoples with nearly the same level and type of emotion attached to it.
Something tells me that brutal lynchings and burning alive unarmed PLA soldiers were not covered in that class.
Are you including the "tanks grinding corpses" part or just the "massacre" in general?
It was a long time ago and the memory isn't clear, but I remember a short story in which the protagonist character is either run over by a tank or disappears in some forested area after being shot down by soldiers. It was horribly graphic and entirely inappropriate for eleven year olds.
Christ, it was cruel of them to expose you to that at such a young age.
I remember being shown a rather brutal scene of an Civil Rights activist being shot a point blank range and left to bleed out, and I am glad I had education that was uncompromising on "The Civil Rights movement was valiant and opposed by monstrous people", but it probably could have been communicated in a more age-appropriate way. I think I was at a similar age.
Weaponizing the "education by trauma" of things that you really have no basis for believing in is just terrible. I feel like there's some "generational trauma" around gusano descendants that is like an intensified version of this, where they will be told completely fatuous myths that are emotionally impactful to them as credulous little kids and it will scar them into falling in line. I once met someone descended from people who fled the Chinese Civil War who told me about Mao's guys burning down some old library. Now, I've spent some time reading absolutely hairbrained accusations, some real "Private Life of Mao" shit, and I have never once seen the accusation that, during or around the Civil War, his guys burned down even a single library (it surely must have happened, but by accident as with burning down any other kind of building). Even deliberately fishing through crank blogs and such, I could not even find the accusation that this was done, much less proof. You will be unsurprised to find out that this did not sway my interlocutor even in the slightest, because what can I say compared to the gravely recounted stories of memaw and pepep?
This was all well before the school curriculum got completely changed too. A christofascist and card carrying member of the "victims of communism foundation" got elected and changed the school curriculum, because it was too woke of course.
I'm dealing with some of that kind of "generational trauma" in my own family now and it's really interesting. I'm far enough removed from it that it's not a big deal for me, and the people closer to it didn't turn it into any sort of amped up family mythology, but it's still quite a trip unpacking it all. I took it all at face value for most of my life, thinking, as you say, it's my great-grandparents' life stories, who am I to question them. Until a couple years ago I realized they sound pretty made up, and sure enough, I'm basically descended from Kulaks.
Idek where it comes from here, I don't remember it at school at all
That crypto-fascist school curriculum aside, it's just part of the myths our western cultures tell us about China. They're so ingrained in our lives that most people have some passing knowledge of the myths, but no idea where they first heard them.
I was in an international school, in occupied Hong Kong, right after it happened.
I remember my teacher showing us the tank man photo on the front page of the South China Morning Post.
I remember him telling us to think about (i.e. assume) what would happen next to that brave man.
I remember it vividly, because I was an 8-year-old being told by a trusted adult to imagine a man being run over by a tank. I wouldn't see the actual tank man video and find out what really happened next for nearly 2 decades.
Fucking wormtongue ghouls.
We have more evidence that the Fascists ran tanks over Senegalese soldiers, yet I can’t say that I’ve seen antisocialists either mentioning or discussing that much, let alone as often as the rumour that the PLA deliberately ran tanks over Chinese citizens.
Nah, they're just going to make a .world thread about it so they can have their echo chamber.
Good. We encourage debate, especially when it comes to this topic.
Is it death to NGOs who depends on funding by governments by Western European diaspora that engages in activities that sound good on paper but bad in practice like the Indian Residential fake school holocaust that evolved into the Nazi Holocaust?
here's two good articles on it
Mango Press: The Tian’anmen Square ‘Massacre’: The West’s Most Persuasive, Most Pervasive Lie.
Red Sails: Another View of TiananmenI wish Guatemala had done this with our color revolution.
+12 social credit score, I think. Or minus. It's not even real, so who cares?
I once saw a vid about the credit score being real but it was like piloted in one or two cities in China and it was for stuff like returning your city sharing bike to the correct place in a decent state or something and if you didn't do it in a proper way a few times you'd be blocked for renting one
Literally no freedom to drop electric scooters and bikes on the sidewalk blocking wheelchair bound people on their way to the supermarket 😔
Obligatory: Tang Dynasty's version of The Internationale. The rock rendition goes hard, and there's amazing socialist iconography since Mao in the video.
There's a video? I've only heard the track.
Need to mention this version as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPxnsHmfjBQ by 阿宝 (Ā bǎo), mixing rock with his Northern folk style.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I think it roughly translates to celebrate defeating western color revolution plot, 35th anniversary.
