I think it actually gives an ACAB message, perhaps unintentionally.
For Gwen’s dad, “catching Spider-Woman” was the only thing he was focusing, to the detriment of their own relationship and of course the good Spider-Woman did to the city. He couldn’t see how much he was hurting her because he was too focused on being a cop. And this came to a head beautifully during the confrontation.
When it turned out it was his own daughter, his cop brain made him turn against her. In that scene he literally shoots a bullet after she says she has no weapons.
And in the end, the only way for him to not arrest her was to quit being a cop. That was the only way he could be a father.
It’s the definition of ACAB, even if the movie doesn’t mean for it to be that way.
I dunno. While there is some copaganda, you can also analyse it, especially in Spider-Man’s case, another way.
Spider-Man is objectively a good guy who does good shit but is constantly harassed by the police who only want things to be done “their way”, which is often shown to be ineffective when it comes to catching the real bad guys.
It’s always just one good cop who begrudgingly accepts/respects him, thereby showing just how irredeemable the whole institution otherwise is.
And specifically for the movie:
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For Gwen it was the opposite. “Catching” Spider-Woman was the only thing her dad was focusing, to the detriment of their own relationship and of course the good Spider-Woman did to the city.
And then when it turned out it was his own daughter, his cop brain made him turn against her. In that scene he literally shoots a bullet after she says she has no weapons.
And later on in the movie, the only way for him to not arrest her was to quit being a cop. That was the only way he could be a father.
It’s the definition of ACAB, even if the movie doesn’t mean for it to be that way.
This feels like grasping. She literally tells her dad that he's a good cop and that if he didn't have the badge, someone not as good might take his place. It's the bad apple discourse that won't die. Miles' dad is also a "good" cop in the film whose death, acc to every character and the whole story arc, would be a tragedy.
Not to mention super heros in general are just cops. Miles always busts small time petty thieves, like the Spot, who initially was just gonna rob an ATM and said "this is insured, it hurts banks, not the small business owner" or whatever. And he was right!
I love superhero media, it's junk food to me, but I'm not gonna pretend they're not cops or that the corporations selling superhero media aren't pro cop. Spider-man doesn't go after landlords and business owners. He goes after ppl who steal to survive and cartoon villains.
My point is that there is enough material in the movie to make some agitprop out of it, especially when you compare it to most other media like the MCU or Transformers.
You gotta knock at least one point off for all the copaganda
Fair point. Very sad, it was so colorful and heartfelt otherwise
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I think it actually gives an ACAB message, perhaps unintentionally.
For Gwen’s dad, “catching Spider-Woman” was the only thing he was focusing, to the detriment of their own relationship and of course the good Spider-Woman did to the city. He couldn’t see how much he was hurting her because he was too focused on being a cop. And this came to a head beautifully during the confrontation.
When it turned out it was his own daughter, his cop brain made him turn against her. In that scene he literally shoots a bullet after she says she has no weapons.
And in the end, the only way for him to not arrest her was to quit being a cop. That was the only way he could be a father.
It’s the definition of ACAB, even if the movie doesn’t mean for it to be that way.
I dunno. While there is some copaganda, you can also analyse it, especially in Spider-Man’s case, another way.
Spider-Man is objectively a good guy who does good shit but is constantly harassed by the police who only want things to be done “their way”, which is often shown to be ineffective when it comes to catching the real bad guys.
It’s always just one good cop who begrudgingly accepts/respects him, thereby showing just how irredeemable the whole institution otherwise is.
And specifically for the movie:
spoiler
For Gwen it was the opposite. “Catching” Spider-Woman was the only thing her dad was focusing, to the detriment of their own relationship and of course the good Spider-Woman did to the city.
And then when it turned out it was his own daughter, his cop brain made him turn against her. In that scene he literally shoots a bullet after she says she has no weapons.
And later on in the movie, the only way for him to not arrest her was to quit being a cop. That was the only way he could be a father.
It’s the definition of ACAB, even if the movie doesn’t mean for it to be that way.
This feels like grasping. She literally tells her dad that he's a good cop and that if he didn't have the badge, someone not as good might take his place. It's the bad apple discourse that won't die. Miles' dad is also a "good" cop in the film whose death, acc to every character and the whole story arc, would be a tragedy.
Not to mention super heros in general are just cops. Miles always busts small time petty thieves, like the Spot, who initially was just gonna rob an ATM and said "this is insured, it hurts banks, not the small business owner" or whatever. And he was right!
I love superhero media, it's junk food to me, but I'm not gonna pretend they're not cops or that the corporations selling superhero media aren't pro cop. Spider-man doesn't go after landlords and business owners. He goes after ppl who steal to survive and cartoon villains.
Yeah, I don’t disagree with any of this.
My point is that there is enough material in the movie to make some agitprop out of it, especially when you compare it to most other media like the MCU or Transformers.
Also, there’s Hobie.