Just recently watched 9/11 the new pearl harbor and a lot of the points were honestly pretty convincing.

Prior to the doc, I absolutely felt like 9/11 was just kind of a "chickens coming home to roost" type deal for the US with some likely saudi involvement and believed the U.S was aware it was probably going to happen (considering this is basically proven via legit documents) but did not put much effort in to stopping it as justification for imperialist war and whatnot. But i typically believed the rest of the "official" story with the building collapse and the hijackers. Now after seeing the doc I am honestly kind of convinced of much higher level involvement by some entity whatever it is.

For example, they do a pretty good job of pointing out how there should be doubt that the accused terrorists actually committed the attacks considering how there is no visual information anywhere of any of the hijackers being at the airport despite airport cameras basically capturing every person by at least one of the hundreds of cameras all throughout the building. What was really convincing though was when they pointed out all the hijackers were absolutely piss poor pilots with no relevant experience to fly commercial airliners. The "they just use autopilot" argument isnt valid either because the way the planes were flown required like extreme skill at the speeds they were going at to even hit the target. They especially talk about how the maneuver on the pentagon hit is like borderline impossible from the perspective of the many professional pilots who have raised this.

Genuinely kind of hard to believe there was not some type of planted explosives in the towers considering structural engineers state that no building of that caliber has ever been brought down simply by fires and how that is essentially structurally impossible. Also the way the building collapses in near free fall they similarly do a very decent job explaining how fishy that is if again the supports throughout the building were only weakened by fires. They even at one point bring up original architect's statement on the building (obviously way before 9/11 happened) where he specifically states the building could withstand commercial airliner collisions. This was an important thing to consider due to the height of the buildings and relative proximity to major airports.

The most unsettling part to me was when they talk about the phone calls and how some definitely came from cell phones but there would have been no way to make the cell calls from the plane considering the height and speed it would not have been able to connect long enough to any tower. I did find some of the details on this whole section kinda shaky so I don't really know what I believe here but if this is true it is pretty creepy to me cause then the question of where were the passengers that called located and what happened to them is kinda freaky. But again this part didn't seem as robustly discussed as others.

There were absolutely some things in the doc that I wasn't super convinced by like the plane swap stuff I'm not totally sure of in general. There is also a pretty silly moment where they try to say one of the callers from the plane says "It's a frame" before hanging up but like... it is a bit of stretch lmao.

But still was a pretty informative doc all things considered. It is a shame whenever stuff like this is talked about it is usually among whacked out right wingers cause there are absolutely a lot of valid questions.

Curious if you've seen it and what your thoughts on it were

Here is the whole documentary btw for people who want to watch it: https://old.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=167 It's 3 parts and very long.

  • Weedian [he/him]
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    The part about the military chain of command being completely broken due to either it being that person’s first day on the job, being in an uninterruptible meeting, or just not knowing their whereabouts and then not canceling the military exercise even after there were confirmed hijacked planes made me go uhhhhhhh

    Also a 767 going over 500 knots at sea level is hard to believe

    As for the controlled demolition stuff my biggest question is why did the entire buildings need to collapse? Were the 2 airplane strikes not enough to justify all the post 9/11 actions like increased military/NSA budgets, PATRIOT ACT, invasion of Afghanistan/Iraq? I guess that goes back to how WTC were built entirely out of asbestos and it was costing a fortune to renovate the towers

    Also like, the entire pentagon strike, why the hell wouldn’t the hijacker fly into the top of the pentagon at like a 30-40 degree dive instead of doing a spiraling 360 descent at over 400 knots and then hit the most reinforced part of the building at a flat angle