The essential argument of [deBoer's] book is that overwhelming empirical evidence shows that students sort themselves into academic ability bands in the performance spectrum early in life, with remarkable consistency
Downvote me now. 31 years, and my experience agrees with this.
"My entire existence is promulgating bourgeois false consciousness that obscures historical materialism of class war in favor of idealist utopian dogshit" tell me again how PMC are working class comrades who are actually fighting to collectively raise the consciousness of the working class lol, I don't see it
Does this mean I give up on students? Not in the least. But
"I am not a nazi, but,"
I don't believe that in high school I can dramatically change a student. Brain research supports this, as far as I know...
"brain research" lets do some research on these soul cancer Liz Warren radlibs
We cannot solve the problems because we are the tools used to educate, not the tools used to fix the education system. Were we - the educators - given access to that sort of control and power, the education system would look (and feel) wildly different...and quite possibly more successful.
"we need a dictatorship of the PMC Karens" yet again, no sign of working class struggle
There's a provocatively titled book by George Mason University family and education economist Bryan Caplan that addresses some of these things called The Case Against Education
QUOTING THE MOST SATANIC NEOLIBERAL EVER lol. This indoctrination with the most pure radlib ideology is why everyone hates teachers and wants them to be [REDACTED]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Caplan
Caplan's anarcho-capitalist views were discussed by Brian Doherty in his book Radicals for Capitalism and in Reason magazine. Caplan has argued that anarcho-capitalists have a better claim on the history of anarchist thought than "mainstream anarchists", or "left-anarchists",
such a weird coincidence how the /r/stupidpol redditors who idolize Freddie deBoer agree with the DSA comrade Liz Warren that "free markets are true liberation, not the Stalinist authoritarian state', which we must work with fascists to smash as we did in Ukraine/Syria/etc. You should google Bookchin, his interview with Reason mag is sooo true about the authoritarian evils of Cuba! True Marxism is free markets for individual consumers, I am the 99% and I vote for humanity!" :dsa:
When presented with this, people in education tend to plug their ears and start chanting various well meaning mantras,
my reaction when faced with satanic bourgeois nazi redditor ideology is: :brace-cowboy:
The thing is, these findings are kind of liberating. If we want to improve educational outcomes in the US it seems that the best place to spend money is not in the schools, but rather just to make the welfare checks bigger.
radlibs don't understand capitalism or what austerity is, these pretentious "objective, science backed realists" are in fact the most idealist and utopian dreamers you'll ever see
of course these PMC class traitors downvoted the only post to mention eugenics:
The essay is quite long so I didn’t read the whole thing, but in what I saw there are two things I disagree with. First, and majorly, there is not a generic component to academic success. That gets into eugenics, a widely discredited and racist science.
stay woke about the PMC's entire function being eugenics management of their (sex) slaves. That's why the radlib professor Chomsky is an Epstein guy, who of course, was a high school teacher turned eugenicist like deBoer :epstein:
students sort themselves into academic ability bands in the performance spectrum early in life.
Ahh yes, if I ignore any resemblance of class structures, it MUST be academic ability bands. It's just a coincidence that all of the higher achievers come from homes with higher incomes.
I can only read stuff like that as lousy teachers making excuses for their inability to effectively educate kids who don't immediately take to it. "They're just in the lower academic ability band, there's nothing I can do for them! It's not my fault!"
I once told a teacher this, saying that there’s little point in teaching kids when they have no food at home. She looked at me and said: “if that’s true, then what’s the point?” Meaning that she didn’t really agree because then it made her entire career pointless. She was a lifelong teacher and a nice person (at least to a fellow cracker) but let’s just say that was a liberal getting scratched a bit.
My conspiracy theory is that gardenSkink was an imposter, just didn't really have the same energy where you're going :jesse-wtf: but also agreeing with like 80%+ of what's said
You have just absorbed some moldiness and began to understand him.
I actually liked gardenskink there was something fresh about that accounts posts that hit harder
I wouldn’t blame teachers for giving up on students considering they receive zero support from the admins.
Yeah it's like, I have a lot of empathy for HS teachers. The material conditions are terrible! So one could argue that there's very little a HS teacher can do. But it's not because of magic brains - it's the FUCKING CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND THAT ARE PREVENTING STUDENTS FROM LEARNING.
What no materialism does to a mfer, jesus christ.
The stark contrast between behaviour of UK teachers and American teachers can only be explained by the leftist presence in organising UK teachers that (as far as I can tell) seems to be completely non-existent in American teachers.
I don't agree with the premise of the post, because if the premise were that teachers are shit because they're PMC then I would be seeing the same behaviour over here. I don't. I see the opposite in fact where teachers are probably one of the strongest forces we have in the UK because our organising of them enables us to shut down the whole country with the threat of strikes as teaching doubles as the childcare necessary for workers across the country to work.
This behavioural difference is a lack of influence from organising.
The local teachers’ union here basically consists of Bernie libs. They stopped masking the instant Biden told them to and they almost seemed like they were getting close to striking during contract negotiations, then they settled for a pay raise that was half the inflation rate. Liberalism is a literal death sentence for workers but I guess the material benefits of white supremacy, settler colonialism, and imperialism are just too sweet.
I don't know how much this applies to the US because I'm not American, but I think part of this is due to how education is approached from a policy and theoretical perspective right now. Education systems are pushing for more progressive education policies without providing proper support systems. For example education systems are pushing for inclusive classrooms, instead of separating students with disabilities or behaviour issues into their own classes. On its own this would be a positive change as research suggests that this can help the development of students and will help prevent students from being left behind.
However, what we see happening is that these inclusive classrooms are purely used as a cost cutting measure. Students with disabilities or behaviour issues are taken from an environment where they may have a dedicated support system with multiple adults present in the room and placed in a room with 1 adult and 30 other children. The inclusive classrooms are used to justify the firing of these support workers and specialized teachers. So what teachers see is these progressive policies resulting in more work for them, an incredibly difficult classroom experience that is very different than what many of us here would have experienced growing up and these policies are purposefully used to deflect the blame.
The education system in many countries right now is in trouble. It is difficult to hire teachers even in well paying areas as the job has become increasingly difficult. This year is the first year in areas of Canada where teachers quitting the profession have outpaced retirements and new hires.
That's why I've been saying that we need to abolish schools!
I think this dude's username is trying to call you out specifically, or something.
I can't really see a definite reason for it otherwise.
It was a couple weeks ago and they didn't respond to me directly, but my only slightly spicy take around that time was that the killing of civilians by the US military in WWII was a bad thing.
I'm not pressed, but I would like them to commit more to the nemesis role. At this point they're just another BMF-like
bro can you actually read deboer's book before you post about it again? thanks,
Not reading someone with a Dutch last name on why people need to be stratified into distinct groups and treated differently by the government.
deboer cites evidence that, controlling for class / parent income distribution, there is still clear sorting/distribution of academic ability. but regardless, his conclusion is that the sort of the liberal educationalist/mediocratic model is broken, and that using education as policy lever /a proxy to generate fair outcomes is actually unfair and unworkable, and the best thing to do is just pure redistribution.
this is the sort of thing that you'd think this forum would find attractive (a world wherein initial, contingent entitlements don't consign one to material poverty), yet everyone is so wedded to an ideology of meritocratic self worth, they just can't conceive of the fact that people (ie. they, themselves) might be dumb.
his conclusion is that the sort of the liberal educationalist/mediocratic model is broken, and that using education as policy lever /a proxy to generate fair outcomes is actually unfair and unworkable, and the best thing to do is just pure redistribution.
Can you say this with more dumb words pls?
trying to create fairer outcomes in society (i.e wealth, health equality etc...) through policy such as making education more affordable or expanding its scope isn't actually effective because even when all else is equal there are clear differences in academic ability between students, so the best way to create fairer outcomes is to directly redistribute resources.
Private school teachers are often labor aristocrats but neither they nor public school teachers are "managerial" in any substantial sense of the word.
One of the most bazinga takes I ever saw on :reddit-logo: was that :my-hero: was working class wheras teachers were ruling class because Mr. Meanface was that mean to them in 9th grade.
